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And now, having a car is seen as impending your freedom, funnily enough.

by thatfrenchguy 8y ago

goodfight 8y ago
Soon enough that little bit of freedom will be outlawed. :(
eMSF 8y ago
By whom?
- TOGoS 8y ago
  Anyone who doesn't get free parking, or doesn't want to spend their time and money maintaining a personal vehicle, but is coerced into doing so by society that was built around them.
seattle_spring 8y ago
I sure don't see it that way. Let me know when we invent something that can affordably and reliably take me to the base of mountains for hikes (real hikes, not shitty crowded garbage like Lake 22 or Mount Tam).
- hu3 8y ago
  If only cars were used sporadically and not to commute to work daily by many. That would require good public transportation which, at least in London, is a reality.
  - fastball 8y ago
    Most people don't commute to work in cars in NYC / San Francisco / etc either.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  > Let me know when we invent something that can affordably and reliably take me to the base of mountains for hikes (real hikes, not shitty crowded garbage like Lake 22 or Mount Tam). If you visit Switzerland, you'll find this is an extremely solved problem.
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  - kaybe 8y ago
    The connections actually go to the top of mountains as well, you can buy a ticket from Munich to the top of Zugspitze for example.
  - stevejb 8y ago
    http://www.travelersdigest.com/7381-how-big-is-switzerland-in-comparison-to-the-united-states-uk-germany-china-japan/ http://www.travelersdigest.com/7381-how-big-is-switzerland-i... Getting to a particular mountain is solved. This isn't a comparison of some tourist experience in a country the size of the Dallas-Fort Worth metro area. Its about the freedom to explore our great national parks, etc.
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    - ceejayoz 8y ago
      > Its about the freedom to explore our great national parks, etc. No one's getting rid of that freedom. Cars are still legal and commonly used in Switzerland. The point is that effective public transportation networks can reduce the need for cars (and the resulting pollution, congestion, noise, etc.), particularly in populated areas. Instead of a family needing to own two cars because reaching the grocery store and kids' school requires a drive, a family might need just one, or even be able to just rent one for a weekend of camping. One of the best things about the Swiss system is the close integration between different modes of transport, even across different operators. Bus schedules are set up so they drop you off right before the train comes, and they leave just after it drops off its passengers, so you're not sitting around for an hour awaiting a connection.
- undersuit 8y ago
  Your feet?
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  - seattle_spring 8y ago
    Can you elaborate on how my feet would help get me to remote trailheads? Even if buses took me directly to the dirt roads, it's often another 20 miles to the trailhead itself. Are you suggesting I take unreliable 3 to 5 hours one way buses and then walk for 6 hours on a dirt road just to get to a good mountain climb?
    - undersuit 8y ago
      Yes. Or you could just keep using personal vehicles and complain about the lack of alternatives. The only issue I have with your plan is that while walking on that dirt road I'd have to deal with people that don't care for pedestrians using their roads meant for vehicles.
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And now, having a car is seen as impending your freedom, funnily enough.

goodfight 8y ago

Soon enough that little bit of freedom will be outlawed. :(

eMSF 8y ago

By whom?

TOGoS 8y ago
Anyone who doesn't get free parking, or doesn't want to spend their time and money maintaining a personal vehicle, but is coerced into doing so by society that was built around them.

seattle_spring 8y ago

I sure don't see it that way. Let me know when we invent something that can affordably and reliably take me to the base of mountains for hikes (real hikes, not shitty crowded garbage like Lake 22 or Mount Tam).

hu3 8y ago
If only cars were used sporadically and not to commute to work daily by many. That would require good public transportation which, at least in London, is a reality.
- fastball 8y ago
  Most people don't commute to work in cars in NYC / San Francisco / etc either.
ceejayoz 8y ago
> Let me know when we invent something that can affordably and reliably take me to the base of mountains for hikes (real hikes, not shitty crowded garbage like Lake 22 or Mount Tam). If you visit Switzerland, you'll find this is an extremely solved problem.
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- kaybe 8y ago
  The connections actually go to the top of mountains as well, you can buy a ticket from Munich to the top of Zugspitze for example.
- stevejb 8y ago
  http://www.travelersdigest.com/7381-how-big-is-switzerland-in-comparison-to-the-united-states-uk-germany-china-japan/ http://www.travelersdigest.com/7381-how-big-is-switzerland-i... Getting to a particular mountain is solved. This isn't a comparison of some tourist experience in a country the size of the Dallas-Fort Worth metro area. Its about the freedom to explore our great national parks, etc.
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  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    > Its about the freedom to explore our great national parks, etc. No one's getting rid of that freedom. Cars are still legal and commonly used in Switzerland. The point is that effective public transportation networks can reduce the need for cars (and the resulting pollution, congestion, noise, etc.), particularly in populated areas. Instead of a family needing to own two cars because reaching the grocery store and kids' school requires a drive, a family might need just one, or even be able to just rent one for a weekend of camping. One of the best things about the Swiss system is the close integration between different modes of transport, even across different operators. Bus schedules are set up so they drop you off right before the train comes, and they leave just after it drops off its passengers, so you're not sitting around for an hour awaiting a connection.
undersuit 8y ago
Your feet?
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- seattle_spring 8y ago
  Can you elaborate on how my feet would help get me to remote trailheads? Even if buses took me directly to the dirt roads, it's often another 20 miles to the trailhead itself. Are you suggesting I take unreliable 3 to 5 hours one way buses and then walk for 6 hours on a dirt road just to get to a good mountain climb?
  - undersuit 8y ago
    Yes. Or you could just keep using personal vehicles and complain about the lack of alternatives. The only issue I have with your plan is that while walking on that dirt road I'd have to deal with people that don't care for pedestrians using their roads meant for vehicles.
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