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>Generally speaking, bigoted speech should be disqualifying. Wouldn't that also disqualify those who who call for her removal or is that an acceptable type of

>Generally speaking, bigoted speech should be disqualifying. Wouldn't that also disqualify those who who call for her removal or is that an acceptable type of bigotry?

dragontamer 8y ago
Its no different than calling for the removal of an open racist from a position of power. The main difference is that transphobia is still a gray area, while racism is more or less a settled debate. Unless racism is rooted out and specifically shunned, it will continue to exist. That's the main lesson from the civil rights movement. Today's battleground is Transgender people and Homosexuality. > Wouldn't that also disqualify those who who call for her removal or is that an acceptable type of bigotry? Just from a utilitarian perspective: what are we gaining by allowing transphobia to propagate in society? In my eyes, transphobia offers nothing of benefit to our society, so we should shun it and clamp it down. Just as racism doesn't offer anything good to our society, transphobia doesn't seem to offer any real benefits. So lets get rid of it.
- humantiy 8y ago
  You're talking two different things here and trying to equate it as one in the same. I have no idea who this lady is other than what was posted in the article. I read the tweets posted above and I see it as being a big leap to being transphobic by definition. Her concerns/points are valid and that view is shared by a lot of women. Many take those concerns not because of someone who is transgender, but those would would/might abuse the equality hospitality for their own ill reasons.
  - dragontamer 8y ago
    The first tweet is about a law I haven't researched and don't understand. So I'm going to have to reserve judgement on it. The 2nd tweet however, seems to fall into the category of transphobia to me. https://twitter.com/KayColesJames/status/1108365238779498497 https://twitter.com/KayColesJames/status/1108365238779498497 > If [The United Nations] can change the definition of women to include men, they can erase efforts to empower women economically, socially, and politically.
    - the_narrator 8y ago
      How is that not just a factual statement? Some may not like reality, but it is what it is.
      - dragontamer 8y ago
        Please, explain to me how a Trans-woman would "erase efforts to empower women economically, socially, and politically". And do your best to not be Transphobic in your response. This is already an issue in that the author of the post refuses to call a Trans-woman a Trans-woman... but instead prefers to call them a man. So the Twitter post is already implicitly transphobic. Note: Transgender people are natural. The village of Salinas in Dominican Republic more or less proves that a genetic basis for transgender exists. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/22/the-mysterious-village-where-girls-turn-into-boys/?utm_term=.b8628db2d61f https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/2... The scientific understanding of gender, transgender, and sex has greatly improved in just the last 30 years. Unfortunately, the old concepts of male and female are now outdated in the face of modern science. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ambiguous-genitalia/symptoms-causes/syc-20369273 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ambiguous-gen... These are the bodies that the creator have given us. Yes, I'm religious, and I do believe that we must accept the bodies and the facts-of-the-bodies that we were created with. By studying sexuality and gender, new medical understandings have come about. There is more than just Male (XY) and Female (XX), there's a spectrum in between due to medical mysteries (from chromosome mutations, like Klinefelter syndrome XXY chromosomes... to the "guevedoce" (Translation: Penis at 12) born-females who turn into males at the age of 12ish. There's just a lot of weird medical stuff and mysteries that happen in this world. Its hard to argue with how God created us. It seems like the best plan moving forward is to accept these ambiguous gendered people and study them... and accept them for how they are.
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        humantiy 8y ago
        Still not seeing how her tweet(s) is transphobic. You might as well quote the whole tweet though if you're going to pull out part to show she said man vs trans-women since provides contexts as to why she used that term. "Redefining of sex" was stated right before the use of man not gender. As I understood it sex does not equal gender given the new belief. If they are the same to my understanding there has been no link to sex chromosomes mutations and trans. Those mutations are at best 1.2% of the total population and vary in severity. Even that entire 1.2% probably doesn't fully represent the trans community. I don't think she was making statement at all that transgender doesn't exists in nature. Her tweets read to have more to do with one many women see as a valid concern men transitioning (or just saying they are with no intent to truly do so) to being a women to take advantage of a situation that may cause harm to women identified at birth.

>Generally speaking, bigoted speech should be disqualifying. Wouldn't that also disqualify those who who call for her removal or is that an acceptable type of bigotry?

dragontamer 8y ago

Its no different than calling for the removal of an open racist from a position of power. The main difference is that transphobia is still a gray area, while racism is more or less a settled debate. Unless racism is rooted out and specifically shunned, it will continue to exist. That's the main lesson from the civil rights movement. Today's battleground is Transgender people and Homosexuality. > Wouldn't that also disqualify those who who call for her removal or is that an acceptable type of bigotry? Just from a utilitarian perspective: what are we gaining by allowing transphobia to propagate in society? In my eyes, transphobia offers nothing of benefit to our society, so we should shun it and clamp it down. Just as racism doesn't offer anything good to our society, transphobia doesn't seem to offer any real benefits. So lets get rid of it.

humantiy 8y ago
You're talking two different things here and trying to equate it as one in the same. I have no idea who this lady is other than what was posted in the article. I read the tweets posted above and I see it as being a big leap to being transphobic by definition. Her concerns/points are valid and that view is shared by a lot of women. Many take those concerns not because of someone who is transgender, but those would would/might abuse the equality hospitality for their own ill reasons.
- dragontamer 8y ago
  The first tweet is about a law I haven't researched and don't understand. So I'm going to have to reserve judgement on it. The 2nd tweet however, seems to fall into the category of transphobia to me. https://twitter.com/KayColesJames/status/1108365238779498497 https://twitter.com/KayColesJames/status/1108365238779498497 > If [The United Nations] can change the definition of women to include men, they can erase efforts to empower women economically, socially, and politically.
  - the_narrator 8y ago
    How is that not just a factual statement? Some may not like reality, but it is what it is.
    - dragontamer 8y ago
      Please, explain to me how a Trans-woman would "erase efforts to empower women economically, socially, and politically". And do your best to not be Transphobic in your response. This is already an issue in that the author of the post refuses to call a Trans-woman a Trans-woman... but instead prefers to call them a man. So the Twitter post is already implicitly transphobic. Note: Transgender people are natural. The village of Salinas in Dominican Republic more or less proves that a genetic basis for transgender exists. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/22/the-mysterious-village-where-girls-turn-into-boys/?utm_term=.b8628db2d61f https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/2... The scientific understanding of gender, transgender, and sex has greatly improved in just the last 30 years. Unfortunately, the old concepts of male and female are now outdated in the face of modern science. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ambiguous-genitalia/symptoms-causes/syc-20369273 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ambiguous-gen... These are the bodies that the creator have given us. Yes, I'm religious, and I do believe that we must accept the bodies and the facts-of-the-bodies that we were created with. By studying sexuality and gender, new medical understandings have come about. There is more than just Male (XY) and Female (XX), there's a spectrum in between due to medical mysteries (from chromosome mutations, like Klinefelter syndrome XXY chromosomes... to the "guevedoce" (Translation: Penis at 12) born-females who turn into males at the age of 12ish. There's just a lot of weird medical stuff and mysteries that happen in this world. Its hard to argue with how God created us. It seems like the best plan moving forward is to accept these ambiguous gendered people and study them... and accept them for how they are.
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      - humantiy 8y ago
        Still not seeing how her tweet(s) is transphobic. You might as well quote the whole tweet though if you're going to pull out part to show she said man vs trans-women since provides contexts as to why she used that term. "Redefining of sex" was stated right before the use of man not gender. As I understood it sex does not equal gender given the new belief. If they are the same to my understanding there has been no link to sex chromosomes mutations and trans. Those mutations are at best 1.2% of the total population and vary in severity. Even that entire 1.2% probably doesn't fully represent the trans community. I don't think she was making statement at all that transgender doesn't exists in nature. Her tweets read to have more to do with one many women see as a valid concern men transitioning (or just saying they are with no intent to truly do so) to being a women to take advantage of a situation that may cause harm to women identified at birth.