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And they are? Your statement is completely anecdotal and carries no weight without the references.

JamesBarney 8y ago
Here is one trial there are 100's of others on the same website. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT01441440 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT01441440 P.S. My statement wasn't an anecdote.(I think you're using that word incorrectly)
- com2kid 8y ago
  The outcome measures for that study are all related to decrease of depressive symptoms, they are not measuring increase in happiness. (Also no one is taking effexor to get high!) An SNRI isn't going to make people feel happy or joyous. It may lift the fog of depression and allow one to feel happiness, but it doesn't create it on its own. Joy in a pill, without long term side effects, doesn't yet exist.
  - YjSe2GMQ 8y ago
    > It may lift the fog of depression and allow one to feel happiness. Well if removing pain isn't happiness. It was for me. At least I don't think any more of how killing yourself is only a problem because of the people that will stay alive and suffer because of your suicide.
- KerryJones 8y ago
  Anecdotal: "(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research" My comment was "without references...", ie. facts or research, it would make it anecdotal. As others commented, "lack of depressive symptoms" is very different from happiness. That's what "numbness" is.
  - JamesBarney 8y ago
    There are many ways to measure happiness. But I can't imagine any that aren't affected by a remission of depression.
DanBC 8y ago
> Your statement is completely anecdotal and carries no weight without the references. I don't see you asking other people to reference the stuff they're coming out with.
- KerryJones 8y ago
  Irrelevant? I'm not trying to be the "reference" police, I glanced at the first page or so of comments and this is what stood out to me as being against the multitudes of information/research that I've read. It seems poor form to reject someone else's point by saying "studies say otherwise!" and not provide the studies.

Here is one trial there are 100's of others on the same website. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT01441440 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT01441440 P.S. My statement wasn't an anecdote.(I think you're using that word incorrectly)

com2kid 8y ago
The outcome measures for that study are all related to decrease of depressive symptoms, they are not measuring increase in happiness. (Also no one is taking effexor to get high!) An SNRI isn't going to make people feel happy or joyous. It may lift the fog of depression and allow one to feel happiness, but it doesn't create it on its own. Joy in a pill, without long term side effects, doesn't yet exist.
- YjSe2GMQ 8y ago
  > It may lift the fog of depression and allow one to feel happiness. Well if removing pain isn't happiness. It was for me. At least I don't think any more of how killing yourself is only a problem because of the people that will stay alive and suffer because of your suicide.
KerryJones 8y ago
Anecdotal: "(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research" My comment was "without references...", ie. facts or research, it would make it anecdotal. As others commented, "lack of depressive symptoms" is very different from happiness. That's what "numbness" is.
- JamesBarney 8y ago
  There are many ways to measure happiness. But I can't imagine any that aren't affected by a remission of depression.

DanBC 8y ago

> Your statement is completely anecdotal and carries no weight without the references. I don't see you asking other people to reference the stuff they're coming out with.

KerryJones 8y ago
Irrelevant? I'm not trying to be the "reference" police, I glanced at the first page or so of comments and this is what stood out to me as being against the multitudes of information/research that I've read. It seems poor form to reject someone else's point by saying "studies say otherwise!" and not provide the studies.