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That's not a rebuttal at all! I think there is a fundamental assumption gap between you and the people making these videos, hence the disagreement. That is, yo
by repolfx 8y ago
That's not a rebuttal at all!
I think there is a fundamental assumption gap between you and the people making these videos, hence the disagreement. That is, you don't see it as especially problematic if some votes are important and done properly, and other votes are not important and rushed or mistaken, whereas the "known populists" as you call them (that's not a very effective insult btw) believe that for a House to be trusted and have legitimacy, all votes must be done properly. Most obviously because otherwise whoever runs the voting process can decide that a vote they care about is "not important" and just call the result however they prefer, leaving people to constantly try to chase them and catch up.
It's for this reason they don't bother showing what the votes were about - beyond that we know they were votes on amendments to laws - it's because they don't recognise the distinction between "important" amendments and "not important" amendments. Most obviously because if something isn't important enough to vote on properly why is a government (any government) legislating on it at all?
"The vote is now open" for the final vote, which then takes 20 seconds. EVERYBODY had time to translate, the last couple of seconds is complete silence
This doesn't back up your argument in the way you think it does. What kind of vote only gives 20 seconds for both translation and thinking time?
In the UKIP video it is said that the EP can often vote on more than 1000 things a week, so no wonder they're so rushed. But the problem here is obvious - they shouldn't be voting on 1000 things a week. There can't be any quality legislative scrutiny in such a system, it's a complete farce.
I looked at your report link. It doesn't tell me anything about the quality of the votes or anything relevant to the points the videos are making.
I think it's very clear here that you're determined to make excuses for the EP and take their side because you see the alternative as "populists", which for some reason is a bad thing? The word is defined as "a supporter of the rights and powers of the people" which would appear appropriate here!
- seba_dos1 8y agoReally? "Thinking time"? Is this satire? 20 seconds to vote electronically is a lot.
- repolfx 8y agoThinking time as in, thinking about what the right decision is, not how to push the button.
- seba_dos1 8y agoThat's ridiculous. Parliament is not a think-tank. You come in to a session already knowing how you're going to vote - or, if you're lazy or there's a voting discipline in your party, you consult the party guidelines. Parliamentary session is not a time to "think about the decision" - how do you even expect that to work?
- trickstra 8y agoThey've been discussing the copyright directive for months. All the parties, all the members, knew exactly how they are going to vote long before they came to the parliament that day. The talks are just for show, to have something to show the voters back at home, nobody is deciding or changing their votes on the spot.