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> The evolution of the french language is not dictated by the Académie, but rather by its use by the french people > the Académie is actively trying to find fr
by mykowebhn 8y ago
> The evolution of the french language is not dictated by the Académie, but rather by its use by the french people
> the Académie is actively trying to find french equivalent for [convenient English words] that are coherent with the etymology of the french language
Don't these two sentences you wrote contradict each other? From what I gather, you ARE saying that the French language IS dictated by the Académie, even though you initially wrote the contrary. I'm a little confused.
- gerard2 8y agoWell maybe. Maybe someone with a stronger literary background than me could make the argument that providing traductions of english words is just a plus to ensure the completion of the french language and not really an important part of the language evolution. But I just wanted to explain that french people do not feel like the way they speak and write is dictated by the academie.And surely their appreciation of the french language has very little to do with the yellow vests protests.
- bisRepetita 8y ago???? There is a huge gap between trying to influence the French language, and dictating it (forcing to use it). The Francophones at the end of the day decide what they use, they live as a free society. I welcome people trying to creatively influence a language, whether they are normal people, cool teenagers, rappers and rock stars, Quebecois guardians of the French language, or people at the Academie Francaise.
- makapuf 8y agoFor all words the equivalent of computer - "ordinateur" was invented by académie française from a sollicitation of IBM and it stuck. Everyone uses this word now.
- p0nce 8y agoYes, this is national pride about this one word that stuck, but here is what "ordiner" is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_orders Meanwhile the rest of the world use a word that refers to computation, and french has even a "computationnel" word because "ordinateur" doesn't make much sense. A computer is not something that gives holy orders.
- 0815test 8y ago> A computer is not something that gives holy orders. Unless it's running HolyC and TempleOS, of course! Rust and RedoxOS may be the best human-made solutions, but a computer with TempleOS is the only true "ordinateur", because it directly communes with G-d.
- cm2187 8y agoNah. They try to find and promote alternative words but no one uses them.
- p0nce 8y agoThe effort of the Academy to create new words top-down (partly) inspired us to make a parodic website: https://bitoduc.fr/ https://bitoduc.fr/ I think french rappers (which are amazing imho) create more words successfully because they have a mechanics for popularizing the new words. They can have a word adopted with one song. My problem with the Academy is rather simple, if an entire profession use "deadlock" successfully, why complicate things creating a new word like "interblocage"? For technical fields this may brings confusion.
- seszett 8y agoThe word "interblocage" has been used for at least a century in mechanics though. It's just a very straightforward word that anyone could come up with to describe such a situation, and one that is immediately understandable to a French speaker. I'm pretty sure the confusion would come from using "deadlock" to someone who knows "interblocage", rather than the contrary.
- jkepler 8y agoI glanced at your list, and thought this one in particular was brilliant: SOAP (Simple Object Access Protocol) <--> SAVON (Simple Accès Vers Objets Nuageux)
- p0nce 8y agoIt's a collective effort!