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If society has to rely on "defecating in a plastic bag and tossing it in the trash" for its health safety - it has much bigger problems than banning plastic bag
by perfunctory 8y ago
If society has to rely on "defecating in a plastic bag and tossing it in the trash" for its health safety - it has much bigger problems than banning plastic bags imho.
- johnchristopher 8y agoSure. But playing the devil's advocate. If that's the case then society had a working solution with plastic bags.
- shakna 8y agoA solution to a symptom, certainly... But not the disease. If removing plastic causes this sort of thing, then something critical has been ignored. It's probably best if the society faces that problem and deals with it.
- closeparen 8y agoIf locks are needed to protect property and safety, something critical has been ignored. It's probably best if society faces that problem and deals with it. If formal schooling is needed to educate children, something critical has been ignored. It's probably best if society faces that problem and deals with it. If medication is needed to keep people healthy, something critical has been ignored. It's probably best if society faces that problem and deals with it. There are no silver bullets, only bullets. Ignore them at your peril.
- shakna 8y agoHaving worse sanitation than the Roman Empire is not comparable to the inevitable breakdown of human form that comes with age. Platitudes are cheap. Examine a statement to see if it's logic bears out before saying that it's impossible to approach safely. Formal education is helpful in treating the root cause of the problem it's addressing, that of knowledge and skill. Complaining disposable plastic bags are necessary for sanitation because of a large homeless society doesn't treat the root: Why are so many people homeless? (And yes, that problem is difficult and requires a multi-faceted approach... But plastic bags to pick up human shit isn't the solution.)
- closeparen 8y agoa) Taxing workers to give non-workers free homes in premium markets violates most voters' intuitions about fairness. b) Restricting internal migration or treating people from certain places preferentially also violates most voters' intuitions about fairness. If American democracy is to end homelessness, anyone must be able to move to New York/San Francisco and immediately obtain a home there that neither they nor anyone else pays for. Holding out for this doesn't seem like a good plan.
- komali2 8y agoOk, now we can bring even more visibility to the terrifying issue that people apparently are forced to shit in plastic bags.
- Johnny555 8y agoI don't understand how anyone could think that forcing the homeless to sh*t in plastic bags and disposing of them safely is any kind of solution to a hepatitis outbreak? The root cause was mentioned in the linked article: "At the same time, the city was locking and removing bathrooms to help control the rampant drug and prostitution trade they’d spawned" As was a more humane solution: "Today, the tents are gone. There are clusters of newly installed portable toilets open and guarded 24 hours a day. More than 60 new hand-washing stations dot the city."