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AP3 is not going to be nearly good enough. It's just the next step in keeping the "we sell full self-driving hardware as a feature but's it's not ready yet" pr
by Judgmentality 8y ago
AP3 is not going to be nearly good enough. It's just the next step in keeping the "we sell full self-driving hardware as a feature but's it's not ready yet" promise alive. It's not years away, it's decades away. And for a frame of reference, the computers (as in the actual processors, ram, memory, etcetera) in cars a la Waymo and Cruise cost more than the cars, so it's not an insignificant cost. That's completely ignoring the lidar issue and the fact that state-of-the-art just isn't good enough even when you have an extra $100k in hardware, have spent billions training your models, and have remote operators to help you out of sticky situations.
But yeah, okay, Elon Musk said it's going to happen. He also said they were going to have it years ago and we're still waiting on that cross-country trip from New York to Los Angeles that never materialized.
- rohit2412 8y agoWe know how it ends though. We'll see them roll out an error-prone stop-sign+traffic-light detection as fsd beta, and everyone will act like that was what was promised. Just like Lane keeping assist is "autopilot".
- avs733 8y agoFacebook: move fast and break things Tesla: drive fast and break people.
- Judgmentality 8y ago> We know how it ends though. I realize this is a tangent, but I feel like it ends with Tesla going bankrupt before they ever come close to building a self-driving car, or even for the narrative to wear off for the general public. I believe a criminal investigation should be brought against Tesla for negligent manslaughter due to the fraudulent advertising and consequential deaths, but I have no expectation of that ever happening. I just get really angry when people lie, then people die, and nobody does anything about it. As another commenter pointed out, Elon Musk himself is still demonstrating the technology as being completely autonomous just a few months ago.
- MegaButts 8y agoI guess others don't agree, but I do. People are dying using autopilot, deaths that are likely preventable, and yet very little has been done about it. What's even worse is they're advertising safety claims based on false data, and you have to fight the courts just to have access to the document showing the redacted data. https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-safety-statistics/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-safety-statistic... But it seems nobody cares.
- Chris_Chambers 8y agoJust imagine if Elon didn’t develop an autistic obsession with impossible autopilot features that nobody asked for and he just focused on making good electric cars instead. The man should be publicly executed so others aspiring to sell similar murder machines will think twice before doing so.
- tim333 8y agoWikipedia lists 3 Tesla autopilot deaths since Jan 2016. In that time about 4 million people have died in road accidents caused by humans. I care about the deaths but 4,000,000>3.
- MegaButts 8y agoThis is an absurd misinterpretation of the data. What matters is how many miles driven per death, not how many deaths. Did you know more people die driving each year than from having bullets implanted in their brains? And yet I'd still rather get in a car than shoot myself in the face. If you'd actually care to educate yourself, you can start by reading the article I linked in my original comment.
- tim333 8y agoThe article seems to say maybe the rate dropped 40% or 13% but >Now NHTSA says that’s not exactly right—and there’s no clear evidence for how safe the pseudo-self-driving feature actually is. Which doesn't seem so terrible. Personally I'm optimistic that as the systems get better they can roll them out to other cars and make a dent in the 1.3m/year global deaths.