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I mean, PRC occasionally threatens Taiwan and says they own/control them. Taiwan can/should protect itself in whatever way it sees fit(within reason). If that’s

I mean, PRC occasionally threatens Taiwan and says they own/control them. Taiwan can/should protect itself in whatever way it sees fit(within reason). If that’s tech/media influence then so be it- they think that it is an issue.

peisistratos 8y ago
> PRC occasionally threatens Taiwan and says they own/control them Huh? The PRC has said Taiwan and the mainland are one country since 1949, and the Taiwanese government has said the same since 1949. The previous Taiwanese president, Ma Ying-jeou, said this all the time.
- eastendguy 8y ago
  PRC is threatening a military attack on Taiwan. Xi said so just a few weeks ago. I have never heard a similar statement from any Taiwanese politician in this century. All that Taiwan wants is to stay independent and democratic.
  - godelski 8y ago
    > PRC is threatening a military attack on Taiwan. Xi said so just a few weeks ago. Do you have a good source on this? I just searched it and DDG didn't come up with any news source I know is reputable. The first 5 links I get are: newsmax.com, news.com.au, theglobeandmail.com, france24.com, and tibetsun.com
    - eastendguy 8y ago
      Here is 习近平 himself saying so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iBJK-doMM4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iBJK-doMM4 "We do not promise to renounce the use of force and reserve the option to use all necessary measures."
- learc83 8y ago
  >the Taiwanese government has said the same since 1949 Taiwan has to say this. China views Taiwan relinquishing their claim to the mainland as a deceleration of independence and justification for invasion.
SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
It was super intersting being in Taiwan and talking to people about their relationship with China. They do not feel they are Chinese subjects, but also largely seem to accept the practical position they are in. Loved Taiwan, hope they get real independence some day.
- garmaine 8y ago
  They have real independence. I hope they get to keep it.
- chrischen 8y ago
  I think you may have missed something when talking to them. 1) Taiwan is de-facto independent and PRC has 0 direct control over them. 2) The reason why Taiwanese passports say “Republic of China” is because they are also claiming to be the real Chinese government.
  - markjdb 8y ago
    1) The PRC exerts indirect control over Taiwan's economy by pressuring its trading partners, so the distinction is academic. 2) That's a historic stance and not one claimed by most Taiwanese people today. Meanwhile, PRC passports devote a page to each province of China, including a page for Taiwan.
    - letstrynvm 8y ago
      The distinction is far from academic. China itself is Taiwan's top trading partner https://www.trade.gov.tw/english/Pages/Detail.aspx?nodeID=94&pid=651990&dl_DateRange=all&txt_SD=&txt_ED=&txt_Keyword=&Pageid=0 https://www.trade.gov.tw/english/Pages/Detail.aspx?nodeID=94... Followed by the US. China does not need to "pressure its trading partners". Taiwan has its own currency, does not pay tax to the mainland, has a real democracy, and is an ally to the US. Chinese passports can devote a page to whereever they want, it means nothing. Interesting fact... phone numbers in the Taiwanese capital begin 02. That's because when the KMT invaded, they reserved 01 for Nanjing, their base of operations when they were the mainland government, and for whatever reason they wanted to believe they would be able to retake it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Taiwan#Area_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Taiwan#Ar... Does this mean Taiwan owns Nanjing? :-) Nor does the passport page act as a deed of ownership for Taiwan...
mshockwave 8y ago
> PRC occasionally threatens Taiwan Dude, I'm 100% sure it's not 'occasionally'. The threaten is basically _everywhere_ around Taiwanese's life with _daily_ based frequency. But I totally agree with your opinion about Taiwan should protect themselves instead of fully relying on external forces like U.S or U.N

peisistratos 8y ago

> PRC occasionally threatens Taiwan and says they own/control them Huh? The PRC has said Taiwan and the mainland are one country since 1949, and the Taiwanese government has said the same since 1949. The previous Taiwanese president, Ma Ying-jeou, said this all the time.

eastendguy 8y ago
PRC is threatening a military attack on Taiwan. Xi said so just a few weeks ago. I have never heard a similar statement from any Taiwanese politician in this century. All that Taiwan wants is to stay independent and democratic.
- godelski 8y ago
  > PRC is threatening a military attack on Taiwan. Xi said so just a few weeks ago. Do you have a good source on this? I just searched it and DDG didn't come up with any news source I know is reputable. The first 5 links I get are: newsmax.com, news.com.au, theglobeandmail.com, france24.com, and tibetsun.com
  - eastendguy 8y ago
    Here is 习近平 himself saying so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iBJK-doMM4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iBJK-doMM4 "We do not promise to renounce the use of force and reserve the option to use all necessary measures."
learc83 8y ago
>the Taiwanese government has said the same since 1949 Taiwan has to say this. China views Taiwan relinquishing their claim to the mainland as a deceleration of independence and justification for invasion.

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago

It was super intersting being in Taiwan and talking to people about their relationship with China. They do not feel they are Chinese subjects, but also largely seem to accept the practical position they are in. Loved Taiwan, hope they get real independence some day.

garmaine 8y ago
They have real independence. I hope they get to keep it.
chrischen 8y ago
I think you may have missed something when talking to them. 1) Taiwan is de-facto independent and PRC has 0 direct control over them. 2) The reason why Taiwanese passports say “Republic of China” is because they are also claiming to be the real Chinese government.
- markjdb 8y ago
  1) The PRC exerts indirect control over Taiwan's economy by pressuring its trading partners, so the distinction is academic. 2) That's a historic stance and not one claimed by most Taiwanese people today. Meanwhile, PRC passports devote a page to each province of China, including a page for Taiwan.
  - letstrynvm 8y ago
    The distinction is far from academic. China itself is Taiwan's top trading partner https://www.trade.gov.tw/english/Pages/Detail.aspx?nodeID=94&pid=651990&dl_DateRange=all&txt_SD=&txt_ED=&txt_Keyword=&Pageid=0 https://www.trade.gov.tw/english/Pages/Detail.aspx?nodeID=94... Followed by the US. China does not need to "pressure its trading partners". Taiwan has its own currency, does not pay tax to the mainland, has a real democracy, and is an ally to the US. Chinese passports can devote a page to whereever they want, it means nothing. Interesting fact... phone numbers in the Taiwanese capital begin 02. That's because when the KMT invaded, they reserved 01 for Nanjing, their base of operations when they were the mainland government, and for whatever reason they wanted to believe they would be able to retake it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Taiwan#Area_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Taiwan#Ar... Does this mean Taiwan owns Nanjing? :-) Nor does the passport page act as a deed of ownership for Taiwan...

mshockwave 8y ago

> PRC occasionally threatens Taiwan Dude, I'm 100% sure it's not 'occasionally'. The threaten is basically _everywhere_ around Taiwanese's life with _daily_ based frequency. But I totally agree with your opinion about Taiwan should protect themselves instead of fully relying on external forces like U.S or U.N