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I’m not sure I follow. Care to expand how one can serve someone they aren’t beholden to in some way?

by whb07 8y ago

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username223 8y ago
Fiduciary duty? Hippocratic oath? Pride in a job well done? Friendship? Altruism? Empathy? There are plenty of ways.
- gridlockd 8y ago
  ...none of which work "at scale". If they did, we would be living in completely different societies. People unduly ascribe all sorts of virtues to teachers. Case in point, look at everyone's favorite "socialist" country: Sweden. Schooling has improved significantly after privatization with a voucher system.
  - username223 8y ago
    Any links about Sweden? Most voucher efforts in the US seem to work by taking the best students and/or most engaged parents out of the public schools. And Swedish PISA test scores seem to have floated around 500 for the last 15 years, with a slight downward trend, if any.
    - njepa 8y ago
      As far as I know schooling hasn't improved in Sweden because of the voucher system, instead schools have fallen behind the neighboring countries which have more traditional systems.
    - gridlockd 8y ago
      Sweden adopted the voucher system in 1992, not fifteen years ago. There is evidence that the outcome was an improvement: https://web.archive.org/web/20130512223637/http://www.ifau.se/Upload/pdf/se/2012/wp12-19-Independent-schools-and-long-run-educational-outcomes.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20130512223637/http://www.ifau.s... Of course, there's a political debate attached to it and you will find a lot of people to frame it all differently, but the facts are clear: The private schools are superior. https://tino.us/2011/03/on-the-swedish-voucher-system/ https://tino.us/2011/03/on-the-swedish-voucher-system/ Sinking PISA scores in the last years is probably best explained by a lowering of standards to accommodate, among other things, for a surging population of newly-arrived immigrants.

I’m not sure I follow. Care to expand how one can serve someone they aren’t beholden to in some way?

by whb07 8y ago

I’m not sure I follow. Care to expand how one can serve someone they aren’t beholden to in some way?

deleted 8y ago

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username223 8y ago

Fiduciary duty? Hippocratic oath? Pride in a job well done? Friendship? Altruism? Empathy? There are plenty of ways.

gridlockd 8y ago
...none of which work "at scale". If they did, we would be living in completely different societies. People unduly ascribe all sorts of virtues to teachers. Case in point, look at everyone's favorite "socialist" country: Sweden. Schooling has improved significantly after privatization with a voucher system.
- username223 8y ago
  Any links about Sweden? Most voucher efforts in the US seem to work by taking the best students and/or most engaged parents out of the public schools. And Swedish PISA test scores seem to have floated around 500 for the last 15 years, with a slight downward trend, if any.
  - njepa 8y ago
    As far as I know schooling hasn't improved in Sweden because of the voucher system, instead schools have fallen behind the neighboring countries which have more traditional systems.
  - gridlockd 8y ago
    Sweden adopted the voucher system in 1992, not fifteen years ago. There is evidence that the outcome was an improvement: https://web.archive.org/web/20130512223637/http://www.ifau.se/Upload/pdf/se/2012/wp12-19-Independent-schools-and-long-run-educational-outcomes.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20130512223637/http://www.ifau.s... Of course, there's a political debate attached to it and you will find a lot of people to frame it all differently, but the facts are clear: The private schools are superior. https://tino.us/2011/03/on-the-swedish-voucher-system/ https://tino.us/2011/03/on-the-swedish-voucher-system/ Sinking PISA scores in the last years is probably best explained by a lowering of standards to accommodate, among other things, for a surging population of newly-arrived immigrants.