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Risk is an insidious notion. You can justify any action by citing a potential risk. Ask yourself whether you would be okay with the United States blocking these

by Leary 8y ago

Risk is an insidious notion. You can justify any action by citing a potential risk. Ask yourself whether you would be okay with the United States blocking these sites.

microcolonel 8y ago
I would love that. Baidu's servers (which they list only for use as web crawlers; and yes, on a number of address ranges with completely different initial bytes, not just one network Baidu might have sold off to a consumer ISP) regularly try to impersonate my email addresses, I know because I get the DMARC reports. If U.S. mailservers didn't see Baidu's dishonest connections, it would be less trouble to secure my email with mail hosts who are less diligent to avoid spam. When I try to send email to the administrators of these networks, it is blackholed at the great firewall. Furthermore, my personal website which only displays my personal contact information is blocked in China. I can't do anything productive with Baidu, they are a net cost to me, while surely to them I'm a nobody.
- yorwba 8y ago
  > Baidu's servers (which they list only for use as web crawlers Interesting, where does one go to check such a list of intended uses for a web server? Since Baidu has a cloud offering, the likeliest explanation is that the impersonation attempts are by spammers renting the servers from Baidu. > Furthermore, my personal website which only displays my personal contact information is blocked in China. Doesn't seem to be the case, unless I got the wrong website: https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je
  - microcolonel 8y ago
    > Doesn't seem to be the case, unless I got the wrong website: https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je . That is interesting! I have some devices in Beijing and Shanghai, and I can't reach qui.suis.je from there anymore (I used to be able to). I was able to connect from Jiangsu for a week or so last month, but not since.
    - yorwba 8y ago
      The Great Firewall is known to do packet inspection, so if you ever had a long-running SSH session with your server, they might have classified it as a homegrown VPN tunnel and banned it for you specifically. Or they're letting requests from greatfire.org through to make censorship harder to detect.
teknologist 8y ago
Completely OK with it. I consider this on par with having fair import/export rules, which China does not.
bilbo0s 8y ago
I'd be ok with it. In fact, I'm ok with China blocking our sites. Perfectly fine with me. China uses their sites to try to undermine the US. (And vice-versa I'm sure.)

by Leary 8y ago

Risk is an insidious notion. You can justify any action by citing a potential risk. Ask yourself whether you would be okay with the United States blocking these sites.

microcolonel 8y ago

I would love that. Baidu's servers (which they list only for use as web crawlers; and yes, on a number of address ranges with completely different initial bytes, not just one network Baidu might have sold off to a consumer ISP) regularly try to impersonate my email addresses, I know because I get the DMARC reports. If U.S. mailservers didn't see Baidu's dishonest connections, it would be less trouble to secure my email with mail hosts who are less diligent to avoid spam. When I try to send email to the administrators of these networks, it is blackholed at the great firewall. Furthermore, my personal website which only displays my personal contact information is blocked in China. I can't do anything productive with Baidu, they are a net cost to me, while surely to them I'm a nobody.

yorwba 8y ago
> Baidu's servers (which they list only for use as web crawlers Interesting, where does one go to check such a list of intended uses for a web server? Since Baidu has a cloud offering, the likeliest explanation is that the impersonation attempts are by spammers renting the servers from Baidu. > Furthermore, my personal website which only displays my personal contact information is blocked in China. Doesn't seem to be the case, unless I got the wrong website: https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je
- microcolonel 8y ago
  > Doesn't seem to be the case, unless I got the wrong website: https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je https://en.greatfire.org/qui.suis.je . That is interesting! I have some devices in Beijing and Shanghai, and I can't reach qui.suis.je from there anymore (I used to be able to). I was able to connect from Jiangsu for a week or so last month, but not since.
  - yorwba 8y ago
    The Great Firewall is known to do packet inspection, so if you ever had a long-running SSH session with your server, they might have classified it as a homegrown VPN tunnel and banned it for you specifically. Or they're letting requests from greatfire.org through to make censorship harder to detect.

teknologist 8y ago

Completely OK with it. I consider this on par with having fair import/export rules, which China does not.

bilbo0s 8y ago

I'd be ok with it. In fact, I'm ok with China blocking our sites. Perfectly fine with me. China uses their sites to try to undermine the US. (And vice-versa I'm sure.)