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It is not an argument from authority. It's a statement of fact that both authors have published a very long body of work including very high-value contribution

It is not an argument from authority. It's a statement of fact that both authors have published a very long body of work including very high-value contributions to science, and they are not suddenly incompetent idiots just because they've published a paper that a random guy on the interned perceives as being politically inconvenient. And the OP quite literally argued the scientists who authored the paper should be forced out of their job just because they published an academic paper that he found to be politically inconvenient, which is sheer lunacy.

luckydata 8y ago
They are not idiots, just highly motivated political operators using papers full of mistakes to make a point. That's the part that should have gotten them fired but since you agree with their goals then you don't take issue with that.
- geezerjay 8y ago
  > They are not idiots, just highly motivated political operators using papers full of mistakes to make a point. That's a repeat of the old tired strawman that tries to avoid discussing the facts and the data by depicting any academic who authors an inconvenient paper as being a political agent involved in some widespread anti-socialist conspiracy. Meanwhile, let's not forget that the people attacking the Roggof&Reinhart paper are somehow criticizing the fact that highly indebted states experience lower growth rates, as if either increasing sovereign debt or siphoning cash from the budget to service debt has no impact on the nation's finances.
  - luckydata 8y ago
    Oh my, where do I start. Alright, let's go in order. re:Strawman - So you're trying to tell me that the Chicago School of Economics doesn't have a right leaning bent and inspires itself in the work of the Austrian economics. Yeah, you could say that but it's bullshit. re: high indebtness. people criticizing RR are doing it because the paper is bad. Plus, as Paul Krugman correctly notes, high level of debt could be a result of economic slowdown and not the cause (best example is Japan). see more: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/opinion/krugman-the-excel-depression.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/opinion/krugman-the-excel... Sorry that reality doesn't agree with your views.
DFHippie 8y ago
(Setting aside the argument from authority, which you continue,) Here is the actual argument: > full of elementary statistical and programming errors that should’ve gotten its authors fired Here is your characterization: > the OP quite literally argued the scientists who authored the paper should be forced out of their job just because they published an academic paper that he found to be politically inconvenient

luckydata 8y ago

They are not idiots, just highly motivated political operators using papers full of mistakes to make a point. That's the part that should have gotten them fired but since you agree with their goals then you don't take issue with that.

geezerjay 8y ago
> They are not idiots, just highly motivated political operators using papers full of mistakes to make a point. That's a repeat of the old tired strawman that tries to avoid discussing the facts and the data by depicting any academic who authors an inconvenient paper as being a political agent involved in some widespread anti-socialist conspiracy. Meanwhile, let's not forget that the people attacking the Roggof&Reinhart paper are somehow criticizing the fact that highly indebted states experience lower growth rates, as if either increasing sovereign debt or siphoning cash from the budget to service debt has no impact on the nation's finances.
- luckydata 8y ago
  Oh my, where do I start. Alright, let's go in order. re:Strawman - So you're trying to tell me that the Chicago School of Economics doesn't have a right leaning bent and inspires itself in the work of the Austrian economics. Yeah, you could say that but it's bullshit. re: high indebtness. people criticizing RR are doing it because the paper is bad. Plus, as Paul Krugman correctly notes, high level of debt could be a result of economic slowdown and not the cause (best example is Japan). see more: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/opinion/krugman-the-excel-depression.html https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/opinion/krugman-the-excel... Sorry that reality doesn't agree with your views.

DFHippie 8y ago

(Setting aside the argument from authority, which you continue,) Here is the actual argument: > full of elementary statistical and programming errors that should’ve gotten its authors fired Here is your characterization: > the OP quite literally argued the scientists who authored the paper should be forced out of their job just because they published an academic paper that he found to be politically inconvenient