Well as someone who (rightly) got their handslapped recently by the downbutton-ers for making arude and snarky post, I'm happy to live in the wisdom of the crow

Well as someone who (rightly) got their handslapped recently by the downbutton-ers for making arude and snarky post, I'm happy to live in the wisdom of the crowd. There is a difference between a thoughtful opinion that disagrees with conformity and just being snarky about conformists - HN is pretty good about separating. I think this group, amongst all others that I interact with, is critical enough to call a bad faith argument a bad faith argument. However, I think all of us need better training/practice on how to identify bad faith arguments. I see the turn that has been occurring on HN against Elon as one example of that. It may take time but it happens. Compared to other spaces on this here Cyberspace - higher quality and higher s/n ration on argumentation is what keeps me coming back to HN. When people disagree with me here, I actually learn something. Added: My twitter account got blocked because it spent most of it's time autoreplying to people about how the freakonomics podcast became an advertising pitch for the Koch brothers. I only use facebook because my mother prefers it to text. I can't stomach reddit having known the founders as people. My HN account really only exists because someone said a nice thing about a talk I gave - which drew me out of the shadows. I like it here, can I stay? I'll even wear a north face fleece. I drive an EV I promise.