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Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democr

by amsau 8y ago

Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico!! It’s just shocking to see some people not only reject that its NSO but go beyond and above their ways to defend NSO, like the commentator we are relying to.. So many comments here are again insisting it’s the brother who leaked it when this article was SPECIFICALLY written by Gavin de Becker to say it’s the Saudis and not the brother... please when you make a statement or reject an accusation cite a reputable source. Check out this psygroup proposal to blackmail people name/shame by Psy-group. It says in the proposal that these methods of blackmailing often work to silence target. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-a-private-israeli-intelligence-firm-spied-on-pro-palestinian-activists-in-the-us https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-a-private-israe... Worth mentioning that the smear campaign against Bezos on twitter is identical to what proposed to trumps son in his meeting at trump tower with George Nader Here is psy group proposal https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/us/politics/rick-gates-psy-group-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/us/politics/rick-gates-ps...

barry-cotter 8y ago
> Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico! Dictatorial and royal Arab governments are much friendlier to Israel than any democratic government would be. They’re not willing to officially regularise relations because they know how much their populace hates Israel but they’re perfectly willing to work with Israel. Israel knows this. That’s why they’re willing to work with these governments; they’re the closest to friends and allies they’re ever going to get as neighbours.
- flyinglizard 8y ago
  Precisely that, although the irony is that while the regimes themselves, anywhere in the Sunni Arab world, are friendly and cooperative towards Israel, their educational textbooks still preach for hatred and rejection of Israel and often times straight antisemitism. It's how they prop a common enemy to blame for their troubles.
doitLP 8y ago
>Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico!!! Not surprising. For example the US has a “special relationship” with Saudi Arabia and sells a lot more than software (jets, arms, etc)
- amsau 8y ago
  But USA never helped Saudi to treat its people inhumanly. The US didn’t help or remained silent when Saudi violeted human rights. The US never EVER helped Saudi to spy on a journalist then advised its murderers on how to weather the storm, like Kushner did. Even Lindsey Graham couldn’t tolerate this atrocity but it was fine with Kushner and Israeli PM Netanyahu https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-on-khashoggi-destabilizing-saudi-arabia-would-destabilize-the-world-1.6743094 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-on-kh...
  - dotancohen 8y ago
    You might be interested in seeing photos of F-15s above the Saana skies. In fact, the first F-15 lost combat was lost due to a Yeminite SAM.
    - darkpuma 8y ago
      Reminds me of when the US assisted Iraqi poison gas attacks during the Iran-Iraq War.
  - gyaniv 8y ago
    >The US never EVER helped Saudi to spy on a journalist... Israel didn't help them either, it just didn't stop an Israeli company from selling certain products to the Saudis. Do you think the US is stopping all companies from doing business with the Saudis, or even just stopping them from selling tools that can be used by the regime against the public? because they aren't, they are however supposedly doing that with Iran and to a certain extent, with Russia, so it's not like it's something they can't do, it's just that they choose not to.
gurumeditations 8y ago
Israel is a highly pragmatic country, primarily concerned with the survival of the Jews instead of a set of principles. Allowing NSO to be sold to nearby dictatorships like the Saudis would allow the Saudis to more easily defeat their own enemies rather than go after Israel, a sort of dark diplomacy.
zaphirplane 8y ago
> Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico!! > Let’s see A) they are selling a product B) they are helping propping the stable status quo C) do you really help a country by selling oppression tools to its dictatorship, most democratic countries have overtaken dictatorships in all metrics with one exception D) getting good will from the current rulers and establishing cooperative relationships within multiple levels of those countries E) good will and relationships can be exploited At a guess anyway

by amsau 8y ago

barry-cotter 8y ago

> Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico! Dictatorial and royal Arab governments are much friendlier to Israel than any democratic government would be. They’re not willing to officially regularise relations because they know how much their populace hates Israel but they’re perfectly willing to work with Israel. Israel knows this. That’s why they’re willing to work with these governments; they’re the closest to friends and allies they’re ever going to get as neighbours.

flyinglizard 8y ago
Precisely that, although the irony is that while the regimes themselves, anywhere in the Sunni Arab world, are friendly and cooperative towards Israel, their educational textbooks still preach for hatred and rejection of Israel and often times straight antisemitism. It's how they prop a common enemy to blame for their troubles.

doitLP 8y ago

>Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico!!! Not surprising. For example the US has a “special relationship” with Saudi Arabia and sells a lot more than software (jets, arms, etc)

amsau 8y ago
But USA never helped Saudi to treat its people inhumanly. The US didn’t help or remained silent when Saudi violeted human rights. The US never EVER helped Saudi to spy on a journalist then advised its murderers on how to weather the storm, like Kushner did. Even Lindsey Graham couldn’t tolerate this atrocity but it was fine with Kushner and Israeli PM Netanyahu https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-on-khashoggi-destabilizing-saudi-arabia-would-destabilize-the-world-1.6743094 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-on-kh...
- dotancohen 8y ago
  You might be interested in seeing photos of F-15s above the Saana skies. In fact, the first F-15 lost combat was lost due to a Yeminite SAM.
  - darkpuma 8y ago
    Reminds me of when the US assisted Iraqi poison gas attacks during the Iran-Iraq War.
- gyaniv 8y ago
  >The US never EVER helped Saudi to spy on a journalist... Israel didn't help them either, it just didn't stop an Israeli company from selling certain products to the Saudis. Do you think the US is stopping all companies from doing business with the Saudis, or even just stopping them from selling tools that can be used by the regime against the public? because they aren't, they are however supposedly doing that with Iran and to a certain extent, with Russia, so it's not like it's something they can't do, it's just that they choose not to.

gurumeditations 8y ago

Israel is a highly pragmatic country, primarily concerned with the survival of the Jews instead of a set of principles. Allowing NSO to be sold to nearby dictatorships like the Saudis would allow the Saudis to more easily defeat their own enemies rather than go after Israel, a sort of dark diplomacy.

zaphirplane 8y ago

> Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico!! > Let’s see A) they are selling a product B) they are helping propping the stable status quo C) do you really help a country by selling oppression tools to its dictatorship, most democratic countries have overtaken dictatorships in all metrics with one exception D) getting good will from the current rulers and establishing cooperative relationships within multiple levels of those countries E) good will and relationships can be exploited At a guess anyway