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Probably the same spyware that was used to spy on Khashoggi's iPhone -- spyware sold to them by the NSO group of Israel: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/worl

by pen2l 8y ago

Probably the same spyware that was used to spy on Khashoggi's iPhone -- spyware sold to them by the NSO group of Israel: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/world/middleeast/saudi-khashoggi-spyware-israel.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/02/world/middleeast/saudi-kh...

MagicPropmaker 8y ago
There's absolutely no evidence of this, and NSO says they didn't do this. Why should we believe your stories?
- deleted 8y ago
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- Iamhisalt 8y ago
  Hi Mosad!
- amsau 8y ago
  Yes there is. It’s been reported by many reporters. Citizen labs did an amazing job investigating NSO hacked phones. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/report-israel-authorized-nso-s-sale-of-spyware-to-saudi-arabia-1.6725044 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/report-israel-authorized... Then an ex mossad tried to get citizen labs to say antiemetic statement. Undercover agents target cybersecurity watchdog https://www.apnews.com/9f31fa2aa72946c694555a5074fc9f42 https://www.apnews.com/9f31fa2aa72946c694555a5074fc9f42 I had to edit my comment to add these two very important links from CNN and khashoggi twitter. khashoggi funded a Saudi group (they called themselves the Bees) who were working to counterattack Saudi bots and trend manipulation. His conversation and planning with them was all intercepted by the Saudi using NSO software. The group with khashoggi were able to push their hashtag and had it trending just 12 days before his murder Khashoggi tweet with the hashtag #what_do_you_know_about_the_bees. https://twitter.com/jkhashoggi/status/1043028035455221760?s=21 https://twitter.com/jkhashoggi/status/1043028035455221760?s=... CNN: WhatsApp conversation with the bee group intercepted by Saudi using NSO https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/02/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-whatsapp-messages-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&rm=1 https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/02/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-... QUOTING GAVIN DE BECKER “Bezos to sign would have required that I make a public statement, composed by them and then widely disseminated, saying that my investigation had concluded they hadn’t relied upon “any form of electronic eavesdropping or hacking in their news-gathering process.” Note here that I’d never publicly said anything about electronic eavesdropping or hacking—and they wanted to be sure I couldn’t” ——- Looks like NSO doesn’t want us to know think it’s their software..
  - MagicPropmaker 8y ago
    It's not. This is as wacky as people on the Left who blame everything on the Koch brothers, or people on the right who blame everything on Soros or the Clintons.
  - thezofran 8y ago
    > say antiemetic statement Don't mess with the Zofran
- krn 8y ago
  I have pointed this out 49 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19122206 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19122206
  - amsau 8y ago
    Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico!! It’s just shocking to see some people not only reject that its NSO but go beyond and above their ways to defend NSO, like the commentator we are relying to.. So many comments here are again insisting it’s the brother who leaked it when this article was SPECIFICALLY written by Gavin de Becker to say it’s the Saudis and not the brother... please when you make a statement or reject an accusation cite a reputable source. Check out this psygroup proposal to blackmail people name/shame by Psy-group. It says in the proposal that these methods of blackmailing often work to silence target. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-a-private-israeli-intelligence-firm-spied-on-pro-palestinian-activists-in-the-us https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-a-private-israe... Worth mentioning that the smear campaign against Bezos on twitter is identical to what proposed to trumps son in his meeting at trump tower with George Nader Here is psy group proposal https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/us/politics/rick-gates-psy-group-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/us/politics/rick-gates-ps...
    - barry-cotter 8y ago
      > Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico! Dictatorial and royal Arab governments are much friendlier to Israel than any democratic government would be. They’re not willing to officially regularise relations because they know how much their populace hates Israel but they’re perfectly willing to work with Israel. Israel knows this. That’s why they’re willing to work with these governments; they’re the closest to friends and allies they’re ever going to get as neighbours.
graeme 8y ago
Does NSO make software other than Pegasus? That software exploited a bug in ios prior to 9.3.5, which was patched in August 2016. I’m wondering if there are new exploits, or if Bezos or his girlfriend ran really old ios versions. The latter seems unlikely. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)
- leroy_masochist 8y ago
  Purely speculation, but from a commercial perspective it would certainly make sense to have the highest-tier version of your product available only to select, high-paying customers; hypothetically this might include zero day exploits of up-to-date software. Pure speculation.
  - c0nducktr 8y ago
    Would payments for this be higher than the potential costs of leaving known exploits active on their devices?
    - heavenlyblue 8y ago
      Exploits are only used to access the system. You can delete them from memory afterwards.
- goatsi 8y ago
  They would only need to find a new exploit to install the malware, not rewrite the malware entirely. They have given demos as recently as 2018 where they have demonstrated a 0 interaction remote iphone 0day. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvakb3/inside-nso-group-spyware-demo https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvakb3/inside-nso... >The entrepreneur, who spoke to Motherboard on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the meeting, agreed, but said that NSO would have to target his other iPhone, which he brought with him and had a foreign phone number. He gave NSO that phone number and put the phone on the desk. >After “five or seven minutes,” the contents of his phone’s screen appeared on a large display that was set up in the meeting room, all without him even clicking on a malicious link, he said. >“I see clicking on all kinds of icons: email icon, SMS icon, and other icons,” he told Motherboard. “And suddenly I saw all my messages in there and I saw all the email in there and they were capable to open any information that was on my [iPhone].”

by pen2l 8y ago

MagicPropmaker 8y ago

There's absolutely no evidence of this, and NSO says they didn't do this. Why should we believe your stories?

deleted 8y ago
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Iamhisalt 8y ago
Hi Mosad!
amsau 8y ago
Yes there is. It’s been reported by many reporters. Citizen labs did an amazing job investigating NSO hacked phones. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/report-israel-authorized-nso-s-sale-of-spyware-to-saudi-arabia-1.6725044 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/report-israel-authorized... Then an ex mossad tried to get citizen labs to say antiemetic statement. Undercover agents target cybersecurity watchdog https://www.apnews.com/9f31fa2aa72946c694555a5074fc9f42 https://www.apnews.com/9f31fa2aa72946c694555a5074fc9f42 I had to edit my comment to add these two very important links from CNN and khashoggi twitter. khashoggi funded a Saudi group (they called themselves the Bees) who were working to counterattack Saudi bots and trend manipulation. His conversation and planning with them was all intercepted by the Saudi using NSO software. The group with khashoggi were able to push their hashtag and had it trending just 12 days before his murder Khashoggi tweet with the hashtag #what_do_you_know_about_the_bees. https://twitter.com/jkhashoggi/status/1043028035455221760?s=21 https://twitter.com/jkhashoggi/status/1043028035455221760?s=... CNN: WhatsApp conversation with the bee group intercepted by Saudi using NSO https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/02/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-whatsapp-messages-intl/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&rm=1 https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/12/02/middleeast/jamal-khashoggi-... QUOTING GAVIN DE BECKER “Bezos to sign would have required that I make a public statement, composed by them and then widely disseminated, saying that my investigation had concluded they hadn’t relied upon “any form of electronic eavesdropping or hacking in their news-gathering process.” Note here that I’d never publicly said anything about electronic eavesdropping or hacking—and they wanted to be sure I couldn’t” ——- Looks like NSO doesn’t want us to know think it’s their software..
- MagicPropmaker 8y ago
  It's not. This is as wacky as people on the Left who blame everything on the Koch brothers, or people on the right who blame everything on Soros or the Clintons.
- thezofran 8y ago
  > say antiemetic statement Don't mess with the Zofran
krn 8y ago
I have pointed this out 49 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19122206 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19122206
- amsau 8y ago
  Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico!! It’s just shocking to see some people not only reject that its NSO but go beyond and above their ways to defend NSO, like the commentator we are relying to.. So many comments here are again insisting it’s the brother who leaked it when this article was SPECIFICALLY written by Gavin de Becker to say it’s the Saudis and not the brother... please when you make a statement or reject an accusation cite a reputable source. Check out this psygroup proposal to blackmail people name/shame by Psy-group. It says in the proposal that these methods of blackmailing often work to silence target. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-a-private-israeli-intelligence-firm-spied-on-pro-palestinian-activists-in-the-us https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-a-private-israe... Worth mentioning that the smear campaign against Bezos on twitter is identical to what proposed to trumps son in his meeting at trump tower with George Nader Here is psy group proposal https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/us/politics/rick-gates-psy-group-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/us/politics/rick-gates-ps...
  - barry-cotter 8y ago
    > Thank you! It’s widely accepted and known in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries that NSO is used by their dictators. Not sure why israel gov, the only democracy in that part of the world, is helping dictators by approving NSO to be sold to counties like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Mexico! Dictatorial and royal Arab governments are much friendlier to Israel than any democratic government would be. They’re not willing to officially regularise relations because they know how much their populace hates Israel but they’re perfectly willing to work with Israel. Israel knows this. That’s why they’re willing to work with these governments; they’re the closest to friends and allies they’re ever going to get as neighbours.

graeme 8y ago

Does NSO make software other than Pegasus? That software exploited a bug in ios prior to 9.3.5, which was patched in August 2016. I’m wondering if there are new exploits, or if Bezos or his girlfriend ran really old ios versions. The latter seems unlikely. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_(spyware)

leroy_masochist 8y ago
Purely speculation, but from a commercial perspective it would certainly make sense to have the highest-tier version of your product available only to select, high-paying customers; hypothetically this might include zero day exploits of up-to-date software. Pure speculation.
- c0nducktr 8y ago
  Would payments for this be higher than the potential costs of leaving known exploits active on their devices?
  - heavenlyblue 8y ago
    Exploits are only used to access the system. You can delete them from memory afterwards.
goatsi 8y ago
They would only need to find a new exploit to install the malware, not rewrite the malware entirely. They have given demos as recently as 2018 where they have demonstrated a 0 interaction remote iphone 0day. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvakb3/inside-nso-group-spyware-demo https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qvakb3/inside-nso... >The entrepreneur, who spoke to Motherboard on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the meeting, agreed, but said that NSO would have to target his other iPhone, which he brought with him and had a foreign phone number. He gave NSO that phone number and put the phone on the desk. >After “five or seven minutes,” the contents of his phone’s screen appeared on a large display that was set up in the meeting room, all without him even clicking on a malicious link, he said. >“I see clicking on all kinds of icons: email icon, SMS icon, and other icons,” he told Motherboard. “And suddenly I saw all my messages in there and I saw all the email in there and they were capable to open any information that was on my [iPhone].”