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It is legal to develop offensive security tools and digital/physical weapons in many countries. It's what you do with them that really matters.

by Sephr 8y ago

braythwayt 8y ago
“It is legal to manufacture firearms, it’s what people do with them that matters.” “It is legal to promote the use of firearms, it’s what people do with them that matters.” “It is legal to use political donations to influence firearm control policy, it’s what people do with firearms that matters.” And just like that, you're the NRA. All perfectly legal, it’s what you think of yourself that matters. Some people don’t care, others think it’s their patriotic duty, and yet others think it’s a stain on humanity.
- z3phyr 8y ago
  Way to go, you just brought in a whole different topic to the discussion at hand. It would be morally dubious to use such software, but we are hackers. We talk about how we create and modify; like code-craftsmen of yore. We could start another one on ethics; I would probably side with your arguments then.
- chlvsl 8y ago
  Nothing is wrong with any of the hypothetical scenarios you seem to be quoting.
- golergka 8y ago
  And just as with NRA, you have to acknowledge the fact that people with the opposite opinion don't hold it because they're just stupid, or immoral, or comically evil – they just have different ideas about what's important for the society, and have a lot of very good arguments on their side.
  - mijamo 8y ago
    Do you draw any line in relativism, or is it a holy value everybody should share? And what if I don't acknowledge it? My reason not to acknowledge it is as valid as your reason to acknowledge it by that standard. So really, nobody has to acknowledge or respect anything as long as there is some reason for it. And there are plenty of reasons not to share your opinion here.
    - golergka 8y ago
      Let me put it this way: in any modern political debate, on any side you could be on, do you think that your side is OBVIOUSLY right, and the other side doesn't have a SINGLE argument that just moves you to stop, and think, and doubt your position?

It is legal to develop offensive security tools and digital/physical weapons in many countries. It's what you do with them that really matters.

by Sephr 8y ago

It is legal to develop offensive security tools and digital/physical weapons in many countries. It's what you do with them that really matters.

braythwayt 8y ago

“It is legal to manufacture firearms, it’s what people do with them that matters.” “It is legal to promote the use of firearms, it’s what people do with them that matters.” “It is legal to use political donations to influence firearm control policy, it’s what people do with firearms that matters.” And just like that, you're the NRA. All perfectly legal, it’s what you think of yourself that matters. Some people don’t care, others think it’s their patriotic duty, and yet others think it’s a stain on humanity.

z3phyr 8y ago
Way to go, you just brought in a whole different topic to the discussion at hand. It would be morally dubious to use such software, but we are hackers. We talk about how we create and modify; like code-craftsmen of yore. We could start another one on ethics; I would probably side with your arguments then.
chlvsl 8y ago
Nothing is wrong with any of the hypothetical scenarios you seem to be quoting.
golergka 8y ago
And just as with NRA, you have to acknowledge the fact that people with the opposite opinion don't hold it because they're just stupid, or immoral, or comically evil – they just have different ideas about what's important for the society, and have a lot of very good arguments on their side.
- mijamo 8y ago
  Do you draw any line in relativism, or is it a holy value everybody should share? And what if I don't acknowledge it? My reason not to acknowledge it is as valid as your reason to acknowledge it by that standard. So really, nobody has to acknowledge or respect anything as long as there is some reason for it. And there are plenty of reasons not to share your opinion here.
  - golergka 8y ago
    Let me put it this way: in any modern political debate, on any side you could be on, do you think that your side is OBVIOUSLY right, and the other side doesn't have a SINGLE argument that just moves you to stop, and think, and doubt your position?