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As amusing as your response is, there's a pretty sharp distinction between discoverability in an IDE/GUI vs discoverability in Vim/bash. The former I can usuall

As amusing as your response is, there's a pretty sharp distinction between discoverability in an IDE/GUI vs discoverability in Vim/bash. The former I can usually find the feature I'm looking for by clicking around a bit and see the keyboard shortcut for it for later use, and I can find features I didn't know existed. The latter I pretty much have to google everything that I haven't memorized

nickjj 8y ago
> As amusing as your response is, there's a pretty sharp distinction between discoverability in an IDE/GUI vs discoverability in Vim/bash. I find it more time consuming to go through a bunch of menus and GUI windows to find something I'm trying to do vs being able to just run a command or Google for a command and run that instead. Plus, for common actions with annoying to type syntax you can make a custom key bind (Vim) or alias (Bash). Then it becomes extremely easy to do once you memorize a single key bind.
- brandonmenc 8y ago
  > I find it more time consuming to go through a bunch of menus and GUI windows to find something I'm trying to do vs being able to just run a command or Google for a command and run that instead. Have you ever even used a modern IDE? I don't think I've actually clicked on a menu item in IntelliJ like, ever. Not once. I just press "shift shift" and get the the "search everywhere" dialog which searches everything including menus and customization preferences.
  - nickjj 8y ago
    > Have you ever even used a modern IDE? Yes, I used PyCharm and RubyMine for over a year. The comment I was replying to said he was clicking around menu items to see what's available. I don't really see a difference between using "search everywhere" vs using something like fzf with Vim (which lets you search through a ton of different things besides files). But normally in my day to day I'm just hitting key binds or typing short commands without having to search for anything except files to open (which I could do with a sidebar instead, but I prefer fuzzy finding files based on typing out the name most of the time).
- overgard 8y ago
  The thing is though, you have to know enough to google it in the first place. I'm sure there's a lot of users of VIM that never use certain powerful features because they don't even know they exist; that happens in an IDE too but it's a lot less frequent because a button or a panel is a lot more obvious to go "hey what's that..".
  - nickjj 8y ago
    True, but you usually have at least some idea of what you want to do before you start Googling for something. Vim's help command is also world class. It's just searching it is hard, but fzf.vim makes this easy, so you can literally type 1 word of what you want to learn more about and you'll find all sorts of results.

nickjj 8y ago

> As amusing as your response is, there's a pretty sharp distinction between discoverability in an IDE/GUI vs discoverability in Vim/bash. I find it more time consuming to go through a bunch of menus and GUI windows to find something I'm trying to do vs being able to just run a command or Google for a command and run that instead. Plus, for common actions with annoying to type syntax you can make a custom key bind (Vim) or alias (Bash). Then it becomes extremely easy to do once you memorize a single key bind.

brandonmenc 8y ago
> I find it more time consuming to go through a bunch of menus and GUI windows to find something I'm trying to do vs being able to just run a command or Google for a command and run that instead. Have you ever even used a modern IDE? I don't think I've actually clicked on a menu item in IntelliJ like, ever. Not once. I just press "shift shift" and get the the "search everywhere" dialog which searches everything including menus and customization preferences.
- nickjj 8y ago
  > Have you ever even used a modern IDE? Yes, I used PyCharm and RubyMine for over a year. The comment I was replying to said he was clicking around menu items to see what's available. I don't really see a difference between using "search everywhere" vs using something like fzf with Vim (which lets you search through a ton of different things besides files). But normally in my day to day I'm just hitting key binds or typing short commands without having to search for anything except files to open (which I could do with a sidebar instead, but I prefer fuzzy finding files based on typing out the name most of the time).
overgard 8y ago
The thing is though, you have to know enough to google it in the first place. I'm sure there's a lot of users of VIM that never use certain powerful features because they don't even know they exist; that happens in an IDE too but it's a lot less frequent because a button or a panel is a lot more obvious to go "hey what's that..".
- nickjj 8y ago
  True, but you usually have at least some idea of what you want to do before you start Googling for something. Vim's help command is also world class. It's just searching it is hard, but fzf.vim makes this easy, so you can literally type 1 word of what you want to learn more about and you'll find all sorts of results.