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In Westminster the voting system means you have to leave the chamber and go through into another room. Takes about 15 minutes. You get MPs that vote both yes a

In Westminster the voting system means you have to leave the chamber and go through into another room. Takes about 15 minutes. You get MPs that vote both yes and no. People saying they “made a mistake” only say such a thing because they regret it - they’ve probably never had anyone contact them about which way they voted in the past.

IanCal 8y ago
I'm not sure how a different chamber votes is all that relevant. > You get MPs that vote both yes and no. Do you? I've not heard of many issues with the process apart from things typically hundreds of years ago. > People saying they “made a mistake” only say such a thing because they regret it Or because they actually did make a mistake.
- jdietrich 8y ago
  >Do you? Occasionally, yes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21591602 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21591602 >I've not heard of many issues with the process apart from things typically hundreds of years ago. We've had some serious issues recently with pairing. MPs cannot vote in absentia for any reason. The informal process of pairing allows an ill or otherwise unavoidably absent MP to be paired with an opposition MP, who will agree not to vote and so cancel out the absent MP. Brexit has led to a number of broken pairing agreements, which could have seriously undermined the legitimacy of a close vote. https://theconversation.com/pairing-and-why-it-matters-in-the-house-of-commons-100278 https://theconversation.com/pairing-and-why-it-matters-in-th... A broader issue is simply the slow pace of voting; a division can take at least 15 minutes, so the vast majority of votes are taken orally in the house without a formal count. There are long-standing concerns about the ability of back-bench MPs to vote with their conscience; MPs physically have to walk past their party whips to enter the lobby, which some argue contributes to a culture of bullying and intimidation. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/15/rumours-of-government-whipping-operation-abound-in-westminster https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/15/rumours-of-...
- isostatic 8y ago
  > Do you? Not since Wednesday https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/boths.php https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/boths.php > Or because they actually did make a mistake. 700 MEPs managed to vote correctly.

IanCal 8y ago

I'm not sure how a different chamber votes is all that relevant. > You get MPs that vote both yes and no. Do you? I've not heard of many issues with the process apart from things typically hundreds of years ago. > People saying they “made a mistake” only say such a thing because they regret it Or because they actually did make a mistake.

jdietrich 8y ago
>Do you? Occasionally, yes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21591602 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21591602 >I've not heard of many issues with the process apart from things typically hundreds of years ago. We've had some serious issues recently with pairing. MPs cannot vote in absentia for any reason. The informal process of pairing allows an ill or otherwise unavoidably absent MP to be paired with an opposition MP, who will agree not to vote and so cancel out the absent MP. Brexit has led to a number of broken pairing agreements, which could have seriously undermined the legitimacy of a close vote. https://theconversation.com/pairing-and-why-it-matters-in-the-house-of-commons-100278 https://theconversation.com/pairing-and-why-it-matters-in-th... A broader issue is simply the slow pace of voting; a division can take at least 15 minutes, so the vast majority of votes are taken orally in the house without a formal count. There are long-standing concerns about the ability of back-bench MPs to vote with their conscience; MPs physically have to walk past their party whips to enter the lobby, which some argue contributes to a culture of bullying and intimidation. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/15/rumours-of-government-whipping-operation-abound-in-westminster https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/15/rumours-of-...
isostatic 8y ago
> Do you? Not since Wednesday https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/boths.php https://www.publicwhip.org.uk/boths.php > Or because they actually did make a mistake. 700 MEPs managed to vote correctly.