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Disclaimers: I have no sympathy for the plight of the incel community, and anyone who even jokingly desires forced/unwanted relationships or rape deserves way w

by dictum 8y ago

Disclaimers: I have no sympathy for the plight of the incel community, and anyone who even jokingly desires forced/unwanted relationships or rape deserves way worse than just ostracism. Still, I take issue with how the word entitlement weaves itself into such debates. What is due is due — how much a certain group yearns for it, or doesn't, is a distraction from whether the group should be granted its desire. It comes with an awful implication, which incels weaponize, that men who are having sex constantly are okay, possibly because they don't feel entitled to it. This raises nonchalance to a virtue. It simply convinces incels they should become more like the misogynists (like them) who, unlike them, are getting laid. It makes them want to have the eyes of a successful rapist [0] Nobody is entitled to anything. What few human rights we have were established through social consensus — sometimes as a concession to prevent wider unrest. Sex isn't a human right (though the choice to have it consensually is), mental health is. [0]: https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wyndham_Lewis#Quotes_about_Wyndham_Lewis https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wyndham_Lewis#Quotes_about_W...

0815test 8y ago
Sex is not a human right, but a reasonable pursuit of sex, relationships, marriage etc. very much is. Entitlement has no legitimate place in such a pursuit, simply because it incredibly counterproductive. There's a very real dynamic where being nonchalant about these things makes you more likely to be successful at them, and we shouldn't be dismissing it so quickly.
- krapp 8y ago
  >Entitlement has no legitimate place in such a pursuit, simply because it incredibly counterproductive. Entitlement has no place in such a pursuit because entitlement implies a right of ownership, but a human being is not an abstract concept like "liberty" or "happiness" or an inanimate object like a plot of land that lacks agency or can be owned by another person. No one, regardless of gender, stats or status, is entitled to anything in regards to a relationship with other people. Certainly not to sex.

by dictum 8y ago

0815test 8y ago

Sex is not a human right, but a reasonable pursuit of sex, relationships, marriage etc. very much is. Entitlement has no legitimate place in such a pursuit, simply because it incredibly counterproductive. There's a very real dynamic where being nonchalant about these things makes you more likely to be successful at them, and we shouldn't be dismissing it so quickly.

krapp 8y ago
>Entitlement has no legitimate place in such a pursuit, simply because it incredibly counterproductive. Entitlement has no place in such a pursuit because entitlement implies a right of ownership, but a human being is not an abstract concept like "liberty" or "happiness" or an inanimate object like a plot of land that lacks agency or can be owned by another person. No one, regardless of gender, stats or status, is entitled to anything in regards to a relationship with other people. Certainly not to sex.