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What bullet points does your "common meaning of open source" disagree with in https://opensource.org/osd https://opensource.org/osd?

zzzcpan 8y ago
It's irrelevant if you don't want to recognize, that people usually don't use OSI's definition when they talk about "open source".
- geofft 8y ago
  "People"? Most people I know do actually mean the OSD. Most of my friends do, and certainly all my employers that have had open-source processes do—I can't necessarily use that process to release code to a weird non-OSD-compliant license just because the source is visible under some conditions. (Also, "people" use the word "copyright" when they mean "trademark", and post "No copyright intended" on their YouTube video when they mean "no copyright infringement intended" and absolutely unequivocally are infringing copyright. The fact that some people don't know the meanings of words doesn't change whether the words have meanings.)
  - zzzcpan 8y ago
    You are assuming they do, but they likely don't. Counter example for this is SQLite. Almost everyone considers it open source, presumably even you. Lots of projects that embed it are considered open source. SQLite, however, is not OSI open source and none of the projects that embed it can be OSI open source either. And it's ok, because people generally don't think of open source as something with OSI approved licenses.
    - geofft 8y ago
      What part of the Open Source Definition https://opensource.org/osd-annotated https://opensource.org/osd-annotated do SQLite's redistribution terms violate? Why is it the case that projects that embed SQLite cannot be open source in the OSI sense? (I don't think this is true.)
      - zzzcpan 8y ago
        It's technically proprietary code for many countries, since there is no concept of public domain there.
    - vortico 8y ago
      SQLite is not open-source. In fact, they actively sell licenses for a one-time fee of $6000. https://www.hwaci.com/cgi-bin/license-step1 https://www.hwaci.com/cgi-bin/license-step1
      - geofft 8y ago
        What part of the Open Source Definition does selling a license violate?
        vortico 8y ago
        Selling licenses isn't the issue but a symptom, it's the lack of validity of the license in Germany, France, etc.
mlk12 8y ago
Can you show us your code?

zzzcpan 8y ago

It's irrelevant if you don't want to recognize, that people usually don't use OSI's definition when they talk about "open source".

geofft 8y ago
"People"? Most people I know do actually mean the OSD. Most of my friends do, and certainly all my employers that have had open-source processes do—I can't necessarily use that process to release code to a weird non-OSD-compliant license just because the source is visible under some conditions. (Also, "people" use the word "copyright" when they mean "trademark", and post "No copyright intended" on their YouTube video when they mean "no copyright infringement intended" and absolutely unequivocally are infringing copyright. The fact that some people don't know the meanings of words doesn't change whether the words have meanings.)
- zzzcpan 8y ago
  You are assuming they do, but they likely don't. Counter example for this is SQLite. Almost everyone considers it open source, presumably even you. Lots of projects that embed it are considered open source. SQLite, however, is not OSI open source and none of the projects that embed it can be OSI open source either. And it's ok, because people generally don't think of open source as something with OSI approved licenses.
  - geofft 8y ago
    What part of the Open Source Definition https://opensource.org/osd-annotated https://opensource.org/osd-annotated do SQLite's redistribution terms violate? Why is it the case that projects that embed SQLite cannot be open source in the OSI sense? (I don't think this is true.)
    - zzzcpan 8y ago
      It's technically proprietary code for many countries, since there is no concept of public domain there.
  - vortico 8y ago
    SQLite is not open-source. In fact, they actively sell licenses for a one-time fee of $6000. https://www.hwaci.com/cgi-bin/license-step1 https://www.hwaci.com/cgi-bin/license-step1
    - geofft 8y ago
      What part of the Open Source Definition does selling a license violate?
      - vortico 8y ago
        Selling licenses isn't the issue but a symptom, it's the lack of validity of the license in Germany, France, etc.

mlk12 8y ago

Can you show us your code?