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But how can you not have a realtime conversation if every online medium is realtime and the only thing making it not realtime is maybe your self-control, or tha

But how can you not have a realtime conversation if every online medium is realtime and the only thing making it not realtime is maybe your self-control, or that your battery died? In this sense, I'm not aware of any non-realtime media (which is why I created one).

dmortin 8y ago
> the only thing making it not realtime is maybe your self-control You could similarly ask how can people get any work done if they can also watch youtube videos all day? These days people do have to have self control, because all kinds of entertainment is just a click away, so people have to consciously set aside those to get things done.
- dmitryminkovsky 8y ago
  > These days people do have to have self control, because all kinds of entertainment is just a click away, so people have to consciously set aside those to get things done. Oh definitely. I mean It's not that people don't have self control. The problem is exactly that: we have to constantly vigilantly exercise it. I think technology shouldn't make you constantly exercise self control or anything else. I mean, not unless you want to.
  - dmortin 8y ago
    > I think technology shouldn't make you constantly exercise self control or anything else. Always having access to all kinds of online content makes you constantly exercise your self control by itself.
    - dmitryminkovsky 8y ago
      > Always having access to all kinds of online content makes you constantly exercise your self control by itself. Oh I think I understand now: yes, exactly, and that can be pretty tough. I don't understand why everything needs to demand your self control. Specifically, why do these technologies that purportedly help us actually force us to discipline ourselves? I think that should be our first clue that these technologies aren't actually doing what technology is for, which is helping us, making us better, increasing our various capabilities. Instead many of these technologies quite literally have the opposite effect. But I love technology and believe in technology in principle, so I created an email platform that, unlike basically everything else, does not make you exercise self control and actually works to improve you.
    - afarrell 8y ago
      No it doesn't. It lets you do so, but it also lets you build up the habit of getting distracted and spending 4 hours. If you haven't done that in the past 2 years, consider the fact that you either: - Never had the problem this is trying to solve, in which case you should consider responding to this like a lactose-intolerant responds to a lasagna restaurant: its not for you. - Found a solution to this problem that you've learned to exercise so effortlessly that you forgot it was a hard problem, in which case you should please share it.
  - matz1 8y ago
    Because everything has trade off.
    - dmitryminkovsky 8y ago
      For sure, but to what extent?
cousin_it 8y ago
Nice! So you've built "non-realtime email" which gets delivered once a day. Maybe it would make sense to bundle it with its opposite: "realtime texting". Basically it would work like phone calls, but for text. One person initiates with a wordless ping, the other responds, then they can exchange texts, there can be at most one conversation per person at a time, and if you close or unfocus the app for any reason, the conversation stops. I think these two things together could cover most of my personal communication needs, though it for work communications I'd still need faster-than-daily email.
- dmitryminkovsky 8y ago
  Hi cousin_it. Thank you! Not sure about the realtime text bundling. I like the idea, but I'm afraid it would encroach upon the non-instant space the app provides. > though it for work communications I'd still need faster-than-daily email. This is the most requested feature. Will definitely head in this direction.
  - romwell 8y ago
    Hi Dmitry! First, thanks for making the platform. I find it interesting, because it mirrors how I use email with an email client, especially when traveling: retrieve messages - write responses later - send them whenever. To that end, I have two considerations: 1)The defining features of your service (daily collection / sending) are easily client-side. I can already configure my desktop email client to behave like pony.gg with a couple of clicks. So it would make a lot of sense, I think, for you to release an email app. Yes, there are many email apps, but for people who can't resist setting email retrieval interval to <5minutes, less is more. Then the users will be able to keep their @bigcorp.com / @work.org address, while having the full benefit of your service. 2)On the other hand, you can also enforce these features server-side, allowing people to use their favorite IMAP clients. Just allow, say, one 1hr window in a 24hr time span for retrieval, and the same for sending (so people in different timezones can all get their email at 7am, but won't be able to get new messages after getting their email for the first time that day; same with sending). Are there any plans to have 3rd part email client support?

dmortin 8y ago

> the only thing making it not realtime is maybe your self-control You could similarly ask how can people get any work done if they can also watch youtube videos all day? These days people do have to have self control, because all kinds of entertainment is just a click away, so people have to consciously set aside those to get things done.

dmitryminkovsky 8y ago
> These days people do have to have self control, because all kinds of entertainment is just a click away, so people have to consciously set aside those to get things done. Oh definitely. I mean It's not that people don't have self control. The problem is exactly that: we have to constantly vigilantly exercise it. I think technology shouldn't make you constantly exercise self control or anything else. I mean, not unless you want to.
- dmortin 8y ago
  > I think technology shouldn't make you constantly exercise self control or anything else. Always having access to all kinds of online content makes you constantly exercise your self control by itself.
  - dmitryminkovsky 8y ago
    > Always having access to all kinds of online content makes you constantly exercise your self control by itself. Oh I think I understand now: yes, exactly, and that can be pretty tough. I don't understand why everything needs to demand your self control. Specifically, why do these technologies that purportedly help us actually force us to discipline ourselves? I think that should be our first clue that these technologies aren't actually doing what technology is for, which is helping us, making us better, increasing our various capabilities. Instead many of these technologies quite literally have the opposite effect. But I love technology and believe in technology in principle, so I created an email platform that, unlike basically everything else, does not make you exercise self control and actually works to improve you.
  - afarrell 8y ago
    No it doesn't. It lets you do so, but it also lets you build up the habit of getting distracted and spending 4 hours. If you haven't done that in the past 2 years, consider the fact that you either: - Never had the problem this is trying to solve, in which case you should consider responding to this like a lactose-intolerant responds to a lasagna restaurant: its not for you. - Found a solution to this problem that you've learned to exercise so effortlessly that you forgot it was a hard problem, in which case you should please share it.
- matz1 8y ago
  Because everything has trade off.
  - dmitryminkovsky 8y ago
    For sure, but to what extent?

cousin_it 8y ago

Nice! So you've built "non-realtime email" which gets delivered once a day. Maybe it would make sense to bundle it with its opposite: "realtime texting". Basically it would work like phone calls, but for text. One person initiates with a wordless ping, the other responds, then they can exchange texts, there can be at most one conversation per person at a time, and if you close or unfocus the app for any reason, the conversation stops. I think these two things together could cover most of my personal communication needs, though it for work communications I'd still need faster-than-daily email.

dmitryminkovsky 8y ago
Hi cousin_it. Thank you! Not sure about the realtime text bundling. I like the idea, but I'm afraid it would encroach upon the non-instant space the app provides. > though it for work communications I'd still need faster-than-daily email. This is the most requested feature. Will definitely head in this direction.
- romwell 8y ago
  Hi Dmitry! First, thanks for making the platform. I find it interesting, because it mirrors how I use email with an email client, especially when traveling: retrieve messages - write responses later - send them whenever. To that end, I have two considerations: 1)The defining features of your service (daily collection / sending) are easily client-side. I can already configure my desktop email client to behave like pony.gg with a couple of clicks. So it would make a lot of sense, I think, for you to release an email app. Yes, there are many email apps, but for people who can't resist setting email retrieval interval to <5minutes, less is more. Then the users will be able to keep their @bigcorp.com / @work.org address, while having the full benefit of your service. 2)On the other hand, you can also enforce these features server-side, allowing people to use their favorite IMAP clients. Just allow, say, one 1hr window in a 24hr time span for retrieval, and the same for sending (so people in different timezones can all get their email at 7am, but won't be able to get new messages after getting their email for the first time that day; same with sending). Are there any plans to have 3rd part email client support?