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I may be confused here, but the person you’re responding to is saying that Ben Shapiro does not advocate for a white ethno state. Are you saying that he does?

kevingadd 8y ago
Correct. There are citations floating around on the internet, for example here: https://twitter.com/refdra/status/1111656520083746818 https://twitter.com/refdra/status/1111656520083746818 Again, this is not a rebuke of anyone's politics: It's simply a verifiable description of Shapiro's views.
- manfredo 8y ago
  > It's simply a verifiable description of Shapiro's views. A description that's verifiable insofar as the quality of sources that the author cited. And the author provided sources in the form of urls on an image, and most people don't click on those. I'll link them up here, and let the readers decide whether this unverified twitter account's description holds up: 1. https://www.dailywire.com/news/21144/complete-transcript-ben-takes-berkeley-daily-wire https://www.dailywire.com/news/21144/complete-transcript-ben... 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQke0HkLiU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQke0HkLiU 3. Author doesn't actually provide the source, we just have to take the author's word that the video is as described. 4. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/156246995978293248 https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/156246995978293248 5. https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/01/health-care-markets-government-commodity-human-right/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/01/health-care-markets-g... 6. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/is-ben-shapiro-a-conservative-liberals-can-count-on.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/is-ben-shapiro-a... 7. https://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-democrats-are-love-taxing-rich-opinion-1289849 https://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-democrats-are-love-taxi... 8. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277 https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277 9. http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep03/transfer.html http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep03/transfer.html 10. https://www.dailywire.com/news/31980/media-are-lying-about-trump-separating-illegal-ben-shapiro https://www.dailywire.com/news/31980/media-are-lying-about-t... Even just taking the time to look down and compare the statements made on the image and the quotes that were used to justify these statements revealed the kind of artistic license that was taken in the interpretation of the sources at hand.
- nailer 8y ago
  Shapiro has made many videos against the alt right. He does not advocate for a white ethno state. As other posters have pointed out there's some laughably extreme logical twisting - "advocates for Muslim concentration camps" - going on in your tweet there.
- nailer 8y ago
  The more concerning thing is that you're an intelligent person: you're likely smart enough to know that tweet is a weird mix of general right wing feelings that would describe most Republicans and bizarre leaps of logic. You also probably know (or have the knowledge to find out) that Ben Shapiro had publicly stood against the alt right on numerous occasions. Yet you're presenting this as a "verifiable fact" regardless.

kevingadd 8y ago

Correct. There are citations floating around on the internet, for example here: https://twitter.com/refdra/status/1111656520083746818 https://twitter.com/refdra/status/1111656520083746818 Again, this is not a rebuke of anyone's politics: It's simply a verifiable description of Shapiro's views.

manfredo 8y ago
> It's simply a verifiable description of Shapiro's views. A description that's verifiable insofar as the quality of sources that the author cited. And the author provided sources in the form of urls on an image, and most people don't click on those. I'll link them up here, and let the readers decide whether this unverified twitter account's description holds up: 1. https://www.dailywire.com/news/21144/complete-transcript-ben-takes-berkeley-daily-wire https://www.dailywire.com/news/21144/complete-transcript-ben... 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQke0HkLiU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQke0HkLiU 3. Author doesn't actually provide the source, we just have to take the author's word that the video is as described. 4. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/156246995978293248 https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/156246995978293248 5. https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/01/health-care-markets-government-commodity-human-right/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/01/health-care-markets-g... 6. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/is-ben-shapiro-a-conservative-liberals-can-count-on.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/is-ben-shapiro-a... 7. https://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-democrats-are-love-taxing-rich-opinion-1289849 https://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-democrats-are-love-taxi... 8. https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277 https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/25712847277 9. http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep03/transfer.html http://www.freeman.org/m_online/sep03/transfer.html 10. https://www.dailywire.com/news/31980/media-are-lying-about-trump-separating-illegal-ben-shapiro https://www.dailywire.com/news/31980/media-are-lying-about-t... Even just taking the time to look down and compare the statements made on the image and the quotes that were used to justify these statements revealed the kind of artistic license that was taken in the interpretation of the sources at hand.
nailer 8y ago
Shapiro has made many videos against the alt right. He does not advocate for a white ethno state. As other posters have pointed out there's some laughably extreme logical twisting - "advocates for Muslim concentration camps" - going on in your tweet there.
nailer 8y ago
The more concerning thing is that you're an intelligent person: you're likely smart enough to know that tweet is a weird mix of general right wing feelings that would describe most Republicans and bizarre leaps of logic. You also probably know (or have the knowledge to find out) that Ben Shapiro had publicly stood against the alt right on numerous occasions. Yet you're presenting this as a "verifiable fact" regardless.