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The last 10% is usually the actual 90%. Claims like C++ translation is definitely one of those 90% things that may look easy to some people until you actually

The last 10% is usually the actual 90%. Claims like C++ translation is definitely one of those 90% things that may look easy to some people until you actually try to do it.

amedvednikov 8y ago
I don't think there's a single person on this planet for whom translating C++ would seem easy.
- rujuladanh 8y ago
  You claim your language will support it before having it ready. So C++ appears to be easy enough for you, in order to be able to predict such a feature.
fxfan 8y ago
Please don't lecture people unless you have something to show for it yourself, specially if it is unsolicited. The author is giving away his work for free, he owes nobody anything. He is amazingly humble too. You don't like his claims you are free to not use his product (for free!)
- ModernMech 8y ago
  That's not a lecture, that's a bit of hard-earned advice right there. Anyone who has embarked on a language project for the first time (as the author is doing now) learns this one way or another. You get some toy programs compiling and you think "great! Almost done, now just to implement borrow checking" and 16 months later you have to squint to see the progress you've made. That's just the reality of it.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    Or you just don't implement borrow checking -- which the language doesn't claim to have. There are literally dozens of good enough small languages, e.g.: Nim, Zig, Crystal, Pony, etc etc, and at least the first two were written by a single person for the most part. There are many other single-author single-serving languages (used to make games for example GOOL in Crash Bandicoot etc). Not saying this can't be vaporware, but it's not beyond comprehension. Heck, not long ago, a guy (with some psychological issues too) made his own OS, high level language compiler (HolyC), drivers, UI, and a flight simulator in assembler and HolyC, all working too (TempleOS).
- rujuladanh 8y ago
  Excuse me? Who are you to tell others what to comment on? HN is a place to discuss projects and articles on good faith with comments as knowledgeable as possible. If you don't like constructive criticism, please leave and take your censoring somewhere else. By the way, it is specially humorous that you ask me to "show something", when we are discussing a project that makes extraordinary claims without backing them at all.
  - amedvednikov 8y ago
    There's nothing extraordinary on the website. Everything mentioned there was done before.
    - rujuladanh 8y ago
      Do you know of any single person that has written a C++ transpiler into another language from scratch?
      - amedvednikov 8y ago
        Bjarne Stroustrup? :) I'm not building it from scratch, I use clang parser.
  - fxfan 8y ago
    You talk too much with a lot of confidence without knowing quite enough. You also claim Rust isn't free of race conditions when the Rust type system (claims) that it is. (using Sync types). Please stop commenting in negative way specially since you're not very knowledgeable.
    - rujuladanh 8y ago
      Stop attacking people with off-topic issues and go away. PS: of course I claim Rust isn't free of race conditions. Its own designers also claim it: https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon/races.html https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon/races.html You won't even believe the official docs of Rust? :)
ilovecaching 8y ago
After engaging with the author, I believe that he's just a troll. After seeing a different post of his, I became suspicious and did some googling and read through his content. He basically makes claims without ever releasing any source code, and his compiler appears to be a front end only that emits C or x86 using some sort direct translation. I'm not for sure on this because again, he hasn't released any source code. I am a PL enthusiast and have put a lot into PLT, and I agree that what he seems to have built so far is trivial. I'd be happy to have him show me his source code and prove me wrong. Also this fxfan account has commented on all of the negative posts about his language, and based on the phrasing of the comments, I have concluded that it is also a troll account. It is normal for people who are first discovering PLT to get excited building their first compiler. But the author is either having delusions of grandeur and truly doesn't understand the scope of building a production language, or is actively trying to mislead people. Either way, I love seeing people doing cool things in PL, especially from beginners, but not like this. This is unethical.
coldtea 8y ago
Yeah, that seems farfetched. I'd be ok with V though, even if it didn't do C++ translation (or even C translation at all). Just a fast building, Algol-style syntax language, with the basic language features mentioned.

The last 10% is usually the actual 90%. Claims like C++ translation is definitely one of those 90% things that may look easy to some people until you actually try to do it.

amedvednikov 8y ago

I don't think there's a single person on this planet for whom translating C++ would seem easy.

rujuladanh 8y ago
You claim your language will support it before having it ready. So C++ appears to be easy enough for you, in order to be able to predict such a feature.

fxfan 8y ago

Please don't lecture people unless you have something to show for it yourself, specially if it is unsolicited. The author is giving away his work for free, he owes nobody anything. He is amazingly humble too. You don't like his claims you are free to not use his product (for free!)

ModernMech 8y ago
That's not a lecture, that's a bit of hard-earned advice right there. Anyone who has embarked on a language project for the first time (as the author is doing now) learns this one way or another. You get some toy programs compiling and you think "great! Almost done, now just to implement borrow checking" and 16 months later you have to squint to see the progress you've made. That's just the reality of it.
- coldtea 8y ago
  Or you just don't implement borrow checking -- which the language doesn't claim to have. There are literally dozens of good enough small languages, e.g.: Nim, Zig, Crystal, Pony, etc etc, and at least the first two were written by a single person for the most part. There are many other single-author single-serving languages (used to make games for example GOOL in Crash Bandicoot etc). Not saying this can't be vaporware, but it's not beyond comprehension. Heck, not long ago, a guy (with some psychological issues too) made his own OS, high level language compiler (HolyC), drivers, UI, and a flight simulator in assembler and HolyC, all working too (TempleOS).
rujuladanh 8y ago
Excuse me? Who are you to tell others what to comment on? HN is a place to discuss projects and articles on good faith with comments as knowledgeable as possible. If you don't like constructive criticism, please leave and take your censoring somewhere else. By the way, it is specially humorous that you ask me to "show something", when we are discussing a project that makes extraordinary claims without backing them at all.
- amedvednikov 8y ago
  There's nothing extraordinary on the website. Everything mentioned there was done before.
  - rujuladanh 8y ago
    Do you know of any single person that has written a C++ transpiler into another language from scratch?
    - amedvednikov 8y ago
      Bjarne Stroustrup? :) I'm not building it from scratch, I use clang parser.
- fxfan 8y ago
  You talk too much with a lot of confidence without knowing quite enough. You also claim Rust isn't free of race conditions when the Rust type system (claims) that it is. (using Sync types). Please stop commenting in negative way specially since you're not very knowledgeable.
  - rujuladanh 8y ago
    Stop attacking people with off-topic issues and go away. PS: of course I claim Rust isn't free of race conditions. Its own designers also claim it: https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon/races.html https://doc.rust-lang.org/nomicon/races.html You won't even believe the official docs of Rust? :)

ilovecaching 8y ago

After engaging with the author, I believe that he's just a troll. After seeing a different post of his, I became suspicious and did some googling and read through his content. He basically makes claims without ever releasing any source code, and his compiler appears to be a front end only that emits C or x86 using some sort direct translation. I'm not for sure on this because again, he hasn't released any source code. I am a PL enthusiast and have put a lot into PLT, and I agree that what he seems to have built so far is trivial. I'd be happy to have him show me his source code and prove me wrong. Also this fxfan account has commented on all of the negative posts about his language, and based on the phrasing of the comments, I have concluded that it is also a troll account. It is normal for people who are first discovering PLT to get excited building their first compiler. But the author is either having delusions of grandeur and truly doesn't understand the scope of building a production language, or is actively trying to mislead people. Either way, I love seeing people doing cool things in PL, especially from beginners, but not like this. This is unethical.

coldtea 8y ago

Yeah, that seems farfetched. I'd be ok with V though, even if it didn't do C++ translation (or even C translation at all). Just a fast building, Algol-style syntax language, with the basic language features mentioned.