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It's fashionable to hate the Bay Area here, but these kinds of comments are stereotypes, nothing more. It's perfectly fine to not like the area—I could happily
by pcwalton 8y ago
It's fashionable to hate the Bay Area here, but these kinds of comments are stereotypes, nothing more. It's perfectly fine to not like the area—I could happily live in L.A., Austin, Portland, or Chicago (well, if not for the winter) too. But portraying the Bay Area as some kind of hellhole is just silly. I've been here for ten years and have no plans of leaving anytime soon.
> They are all pretty much overpriced, crappy and old.
My SF condo is new.
> Seriously, take a closer look at the quality of the windows, walls, doors, floor, everything...it is all paper thin cheap stuff way overpriced.
Windows, walls, doors, and floor are all actually high quality in my condo. I haven't had any problems whatsoever with them.
> Not to consider taxes, earthquake and fire insurance.
I recently did some back of the envelope math on what my taxes would be in Texas (where I grew up), and the lower property tax rate here in SF (due to Prop 13) roughly compensates for the high CA income tax. It's pretty much a wash. The main difference is that property would be cheaper in Texas, so the tax rate would be lower, but for the same property value the taxes end up about the same.
> Cost of life, school, pre-school, daycare etc, they are all crazy expensive.
Aside from housing, cost of living isn't that different, at least if you don't have kids. Things you buy from Amazon cost the same. Maybe it'd be a different situation if I had children.
> Public transportation is nearly non-existent.
Compared to NYC or Europe? Sure. Compared to Texas? The transit here is a dream. I take the Muni (or walk) to work every day, and I don't own a car and don't plan on purchasing one.
> Traffic is insane.
SF traffic is nothing compared to Los Angeles or even Austin. Not having a commute helps.
> People who live in SF wake up at 5.30am/6.00am to catch the bus and commute to the Valley oO.
Not me.
> They spend at least 2hours if not more a day in traffic.
Not me, not by a long shot.
> The only thing that imo makes sense is to move there, save as much money as possible. Maximize your 401k and pension plan contributions.
I do that, but not because I want to move away (if I did, it'd be somewhere else in California most likely). Rather it's because I want to maximize my chances of staying, regardless of the economic situation in the future. I quite enjoy my quality of life.
> Get a new job every 2/3 years, so that you can increase your salary quickly + signing bonuses.
I've been working at the same place for a decade and enjoy it.
> Do this for ~10years and then move to a normal place where you could buy a super nice house in cash and then work remotely.
Aside from the fact that buying a house in cash is not necessarily a great idea even if you can afford it, no thanks. I actually like it here and don't want to move elsewhere. And it's easier to get jobs locally, and I'm obviously not planning on retiring anytime soon.
- crowdpleaser 8y ago>Aside from housing, cost of living isn't that different, at least if you don't have kids. Things you buy from Amazon cost the same. Maybe it'd be a different situation if I had children. Transportation costs are much higher in the bay area than normal parts of the country. Gas is usually $1/gallon more expensive (bay area electricity is about 2x as costly as the national average), car insurance is high, and the congestion is substantial.
- elliotec 8y agoAlso, housing is always the majority of what "cost of living" even means.
- jdavis703 8y agoI pay $30/month in an average month for electricity and $0/month for gasoline (TBH I don’t own a car, so a more realistic measure is I’ve probably spent about $50 this month on a Lyft ride, new brakes for my bike and a few transit rides). The point being, energy doesn’t have to be expensive if you aren’t blasting the heat, driving everywhere and doing who knows what else.
- nostrademons 8y agoIt's very non-uniform though. My 10-year-old car has 30k miles on it; at 40mpg and $3.50/gal gas, that's about $260/year on gas. That's because I lived 2 miles from work and biked in during the summer while I was at Google, and I've been working from home while I'm at my startup. A lot of FANG employees pay nothing for transportation because they take the shuttle and don't have a car.
- crowdpleaser 8y agoIf they live in a place with walking access to a shuttle (and enough walking distance amenities that they don't need a car), they're paying a lot in rent. I wager you're paying more for car insurance than you spend on gas - car insurance is more expensive in the Bay Area than the rest of the country. The price of gas certainly affects the contingent workers (guards, cooks, cleaners) whose work schedules don't line up with the shuttles.