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But not on purpose. In this case, after a sustained engineering effort, Apple finally and reluctantly concluded that they could not build this particular produc
by Bud 8y ago
But not on purpose. In this case, after a sustained engineering effort, Apple finally and reluctantly concluded that they could not build this particular product up to their standard, so they decided to just not build it at all, instead.
We should applaud that. That's how things should work.
- Hamuko 8y ago>But not on purpose. You could argue that after three models with butterfly keyboards, it's pretty purposeful. It's not like no one pointed it out to them.
- untog 8y agoNot sure why this is being downvoted. You could excuse the first model using the butterfly keyboard as them not knowing the issues, but multiple revisions have been released since and the keyboard was untouched. That can't not be deliberate.
- saagarjha 8y agoI mean, they clearly did try to fix it, as evidenced by the membrane they added to the newest revision. The fact that this didn’t actually resolve the issue is unrelated.
- asaddhamani 8y agoUgh they should really get rid of that keyboard
- gfosco 8y agoThis is ignoring the fact that very few people have issues with these keyboards overall.
- Hamuko 8y agoHow many people are very few people? There's 35,000 signatures on a petition to recall the keyboards. There's two class-action lawsuits. There's how many different online writings about the issue?
- gfosco 8y agoYou can get signatures and file suits for almost anything, that's pretty meaningless. If it wasn't an insignificant percentage, they would've done something about it.
- Hamuko 8y agoSo your basis for the "very few people" is Apple's inaction?
- gfosco 8y agoThey're really the only entity who knows how widespread this is, and is financially incentivized to address it. Additionally, my employer has probably 30,000 of these keyboards in service and it's not a significant issue.
- Hamuko 8y agoThey're also financially incentivised to downplay the issue considering the class-action lawsuits alleging that they were selling defective keyboards.
- gfosco 8y agoI don't think Apple is too concerned about class action lawsuits over keyboards... They'll settle and pay a little cash, another entirely insignificant number.
- Bud 8y agoThere were a lot of "online writings" about WMD in Iraq, too. Anyway, I'm not disputing that that keyboard has some issues. I agree with you. It's a crappy keyboard. But I was trying to discuss AirPower and the fact that it's a laudable, good-faith decision to just admit you failed with your engineering effort and you can't build the product you hoped to build.
- threeseed 8y agoI had a 2016 MacBook Pro which absolutely had a lot of issues with the butterfly keyboard. It was clearly a bad product. But they definitely fixed the issues with the 2018 one. There definitely isn't the same level of complains on the internet about it.
- altfredd 8y agoThere are less complaints about 2018 model. They didn't really fix it. If my (non-Apple) laptop is anything to go by, the keyboards with that crappy low-rise design have average life expectancy of one year. The 2018 modification will not get clogged with dust until the end of 2019, at which point people will be complaining about it too.