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> grawprog 49 minutes ago | parent | on: Dehumanization of cyclists predicts self-reported ... >> As a cyclist, I get to decide if I'm a pedestrian or a vehi

by Afton 8y ago

> grawprog 49 minutes ago | parent | on: Dehumanization of cyclists predicts self-reported ... >> As a cyclist, I get to decide if I'm a pedestrian or a vehicle. I can pop on/off my bike at will > Keywords there being, on or off the bike. Off the bike, walking beside it sure, you're a pedestrian, on your bike, riding a vehicle. Sorry, that's just a wordo. I can pop on/off the road/sidewalk _on my bike_. I assume context would have made that clear. It's legal to ride on the road AND the sidewalk in my city. > You're not a superhero by riding a bike. You're not making it easier, you're adding one type of obstacle for everyone to look out for. One that's small, fast and fragile and behaves unpredictably. Maybe instead of demanding respect from everyone, use situational awareness and understand people are probably pissed at you, because they're worried about killing you. Acting like you can just ride anywhere, anytime with impunity makes the act of not killing you more difficult. This is the most ungenerous read of my comment I can imagine. In any case, I can see that you want to be angry and right. Good day.

grawprog 8y ago
I'm not angry. I just feel people demanding respect after proclaiming how their arduous sacrifice is bettering the lives of everyone everyday don't quite understand the meaning of the word. I never expected people to get so worked up about my comment. It was more of a 'oh yeah, here's some of my shitty traffic experiences involving cyclists' if there's some commonality to what others have said, maybe these are actual issues. It was really just supposed to be some musing about these things. Honestly I spend more time worrying about people in cars. The only times i've come close to death on a road were from idiot drivers. Bikes have frustrated me but they've never almost killed me and thankfully, i've never been involved in any situations where i've almost killed a cyclist and I really never want to be. If you are a regular bicycle commuter, rather than demand respect from everyone after ranting about how the rules of the road don't apply to you, maybe take these issues into account as you travel and understand sharing the road doesn't just mean people need to be aware of you and get out of your way, it also means you need to be aware and take actions to avoid others, even if others are breaking traffic rules. Again this applies to anyone using a road. This is for your own safety and everyone's.
- Afton 8y ago
  You claim not to be angry, but you are engaging in a very bad-faith version of a discussion. You generate straw-men in each discussion and read everything in the worst possible way. There is literally no point in me continuing to discuss the substantive issues here because you will insist on reading everything I write without nuance, and it is boring and cumbersome to write in a way that forestalls your attacks. I am only even making this reply on the off chance that you honestly believe that you've tried to have a level headed conversation. If that's true, I write this only to tell you that the way you've engaged does not meet that goal. Have a good day.

by Afton 8y ago

grawprog 8y ago

I'm not angry. I just feel people demanding respect after proclaiming how their arduous sacrifice is bettering the lives of everyone everyday don't quite understand the meaning of the word. I never expected people to get so worked up about my comment. It was more of a 'oh yeah, here's some of my shitty traffic experiences involving cyclists' if there's some commonality to what others have said, maybe these are actual issues. It was really just supposed to be some musing about these things. Honestly I spend more time worrying about people in cars. The only times i've come close to death on a road were from idiot drivers. Bikes have frustrated me but they've never almost killed me and thankfully, i've never been involved in any situations where i've almost killed a cyclist and I really never want to be. If you are a regular bicycle commuter, rather than demand respect from everyone after ranting about how the rules of the road don't apply to you, maybe take these issues into account as you travel and understand sharing the road doesn't just mean people need to be aware of you and get out of your way, it also means you need to be aware and take actions to avoid others, even if others are breaking traffic rules. Again this applies to anyone using a road. This is for your own safety and everyone's.

Afton 8y ago
You claim not to be angry, but you are engaging in a very bad-faith version of a discussion. You generate straw-men in each discussion and read everything in the worst possible way. There is literally no point in me continuing to discuss the substantive issues here because you will insist on reading everything I write without nuance, and it is boring and cumbersome to write in a way that forestalls your attacks. I am only even making this reply on the off chance that you honestly believe that you've tried to have a level headed conversation. If that's true, I write this only to tell you that the way you've engaged does not meet that goal. Have a good day.