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If you call Jordan Peterson videos or Joe Rogan clips extremist videos, then I think this is clearly a step in the wrong direction. Their videos thrive on YouTu

If you call Jordan Peterson videos or Joe Rogan clips extremist videos, then I think this is clearly a step in the wrong direction. Their videos thrive on YouTube not because they hold extreme views, it's because their videos are very engaging, fun and you learn something from it. If this is a ploy to push more mainstream narratives through YouTube that is akin to watching CNN/CBS or ABC, then I'll be looking for other platforms.

Allvitende 8y ago
Couldn't agree more.
fmihaila 8y ago
Such a pity your post is in the basement. Sometimes it is costly to be genuinely moderate. I'll keep you company here.
joshuamorton 8y ago
>extreme views >videos are very engaging, fun and you learn something from it. This is not an either/or situation. Extremist content can be engaging, fun, and appear to be informative.
- brogrammer5 8y ago
  How is their content "extremist" though?
  - joshuamorton 8y ago
    I never said it was. However, JRE hosted Alex Jones (conspiracy theorist "mass shooting victoms are crisis actors"), Gavin McInnes (white supremacist), and Milo yiannopolous (conservative provocateur who among other things supports pedophilia in the gay community. Joe himself I can't comment on. He chooses to promote controversial and actively extreme people though. Sometimes he disagrees with those people, sometimes he doesn't.
    - unpwn 8y ago
      Inviting a variety of guests, with a variety of viewpoints is what makes podcasts like his interesting and informative.
      - joshuamorton 8y ago
        And like I said before, this isn't a binary. Extremist content is often interesting.
        PavlovsCat 8y ago
        So why keep saying that, when you aren't claiming it's extremist? If I said "a person who plays with their socks every evening, pretending it's the royal family, might also make such an argument", that would also be technically correct, but I doubt I could get away with "just making an observation, not saying that's describing anyone here, just that it might".
        joshuamorton 8y ago
        There are two simultaneous conversations. One is about extremist content. Extremist content can be interesting. Calling content interesting does not excuse its extremist nature. There is a parallel conversation specifically about whether JRE is "extremist". The show is certainly interesting. It may also be extremist, but it being interesting doesn't make it not extremist. Because, as I previously stated, calling content interesting does not excuse its extremist nature. I am not making any conclusions about JRE. I'm only saying that his show being interesting doesn't make it "not extremist". If you're trying to prove that he's not, you've got to do something else. I also provided some things he has had on his show that probably are extremist content.
- ddingus 8y ago
  Nothing mentioned in this thread is Extreme.
  - deleted 8y ago
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minikites 8y ago
https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360 https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360 >Joe Rogan went on Infowars today, the same day a man who lost his child in the Sandy Hook shooting committed suicide. The grieving father was among the plaintiffs suing Alex Jones for defamation after smearing the murdered children and their parents as part of a hoax. >In the same Infowars episode that Joe Rogan appeared on, Alex Jones pushed a conspiracy theory that the father of a child killed at Sandy Hook didn't kill himself, but may have been murdered to silence Jones and end the first amendment.
- fmihaila 8y ago
  > https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360 https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360 That Twitter thread is interesting, because it contains a link to a 'This American Life' program that gives a platform to Alex Jones to explain himself. I doubt anyone would call 'This American Life' a platform for spreading conspiracy theories or hate. In this light, is Joe Rogan, who also allows people like Jones to explain themselves, a moderate or an extremist?
  - minikites 8y ago
    You have to look at what both Joe Rogan and This American Life do in a larger context, which should clarify the differences. I do think that TAL should not have given airtime to Alex Jones because it really is that dangerous to give him (and people like him) a platform.
- cwkoss 8y ago
  Vic Berger is a pretty disingenuous propagandist. He's funny, but I wouldn't take him too seriously.
  - minikites 8y ago
    Did those events not happen?
papermill 8y ago
The economist called Ben Shapiro an alt-right white supremacist a few days ago. Perhaps it's not ben shapiro or society that has become extremist. Perhaps it's the economist and the entire media industry that has become far leftist extremist and that's why they view everyone else as "alt right".
- sisu2019 8y ago
  that's exactly it, well said.
- scarejunba 8y ago
  The idea that The Economist is far leftist extremist is outrageously ridiculous. They do not hide their bias and it's not far left in any sense. It's why free-marketeers like me like them.
- Quickshot 8y ago
  I come to HN to find interesting, informed discussion points. A kind of salve for much of the nonsense I read on twitter. You can leave d1ckheaded comments like this back on twitter where they belong. Thanks
- opportune 8y ago
  The economist is far left? Have you seriously ever picked up that magazine? The economist is socially moderate-left (mostly socially progressive, but less so on certain issues such as Palestine, and generally not devoting time to fringe opinions at all) but very, very free-market oriented. The closest political orientation to them is "classically liberal", or in US terms, "libertarian", or "moderate Republican".
- livueta 8y ago
  It's a little disingenuous to not mention that they subsequently published a retraction and an apology: https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/03/28/inside-the-mind-of-ben-shapiro-a-radical-conservative https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/03/28/inside-the-... > Editor’s note (March 28th 2019): This article has been changed. A previous version mistakenly described Mr Shapiro as an “alt-right sage” and “a pop idol of the alt right”. In fact, he has been strongly critical of the alt-right movement. We apologise. I'm not in ideological lockstep with them on many topics, but that sort of journalistic integrity is one of the things that distinguishes them from plenty of rags that are purely motivated by partisan ideology.

Allvitende 8y ago

Couldn't agree more.

fmihaila 8y ago

Such a pity your post is in the basement. Sometimes it is costly to be genuinely moderate. I'll keep you company here.

joshuamorton 8y ago

>extreme views >videos are very engaging, fun and you learn something from it. This is not an either/or situation. Extremist content can be engaging, fun, and appear to be informative.

brogrammer5 8y ago
How is their content "extremist" though?
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  I never said it was. However, JRE hosted Alex Jones (conspiracy theorist "mass shooting victoms are crisis actors"), Gavin McInnes (white supremacist), and Milo yiannopolous (conservative provocateur who among other things supports pedophilia in the gay community. Joe himself I can't comment on. He chooses to promote controversial and actively extreme people though. Sometimes he disagrees with those people, sometimes he doesn't.
  - unpwn 8y ago
    Inviting a variety of guests, with a variety of viewpoints is what makes podcasts like his interesting and informative.
    - joshuamorton 8y ago
      And like I said before, this isn't a binary. Extremist content is often interesting.
      - PavlovsCat 8y ago
        So why keep saying that, when you aren't claiming it's extremist? If I said "a person who plays with their socks every evening, pretending it's the royal family, might also make such an argument", that would also be technically correct, but I doubt I could get away with "just making an observation, not saying that's describing anyone here, just that it might".
        joshuamorton 8y ago
        There are two simultaneous conversations. One is about extremist content. Extremist content can be interesting. Calling content interesting does not excuse its extremist nature. There is a parallel conversation specifically about whether JRE is "extremist". The show is certainly interesting. It may also be extremist, but it being interesting doesn't make it not extremist. Because, as I previously stated, calling content interesting does not excuse its extremist nature. I am not making any conclusions about JRE. I'm only saying that his show being interesting doesn't make it "not extremist". If you're trying to prove that he's not, you've got to do something else. I also provided some things he has had on his show that probably are extremist content.
ddingus 8y ago
Nothing mentioned in this thread is Extreme.
- deleted 8y ago
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minikites 8y ago

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360 https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360 >Joe Rogan went on Infowars today, the same day a man who lost his child in the Sandy Hook shooting committed suicide. The grieving father was among the plaintiffs suing Alex Jones for defamation after smearing the murdered children and their parents as part of a hoax. >In the same Infowars episode that Joe Rogan appeared on, Alex Jones pushed a conspiracy theory that the father of a child killed at Sandy Hook didn't kill himself, but may have been murdered to silence Jones and end the first amendment.

fmihaila 8y ago
> https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360 https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1110301264657551360 That Twitter thread is interesting, because it contains a link to a 'This American Life' program that gives a platform to Alex Jones to explain himself. I doubt anyone would call 'This American Life' a platform for spreading conspiracy theories or hate. In this light, is Joe Rogan, who also allows people like Jones to explain themselves, a moderate or an extremist?
- minikites 8y ago
  You have to look at what both Joe Rogan and This American Life do in a larger context, which should clarify the differences. I do think that TAL should not have given airtime to Alex Jones because it really is that dangerous to give him (and people like him) a platform.
cwkoss 8y ago
Vic Berger is a pretty disingenuous propagandist. He's funny, but I wouldn't take him too seriously.
- minikites 8y ago
  Did those events not happen?

papermill 8y ago

The economist called Ben Shapiro an alt-right white supremacist a few days ago. Perhaps it's not ben shapiro or society that has become extremist. Perhaps it's the economist and the entire media industry that has become far leftist extremist and that's why they view everyone else as "alt right".

sisu2019 8y ago
that's exactly it, well said.
scarejunba 8y ago
The idea that The Economist is far leftist extremist is outrageously ridiculous. They do not hide their bias and it's not far left in any sense. It's why free-marketeers like me like them.
Quickshot 8y ago
I come to HN to find interesting, informed discussion points. A kind of salve for much of the nonsense I read on twitter. You can leave d1ckheaded comments like this back on twitter where they belong. Thanks
opportune 8y ago
The economist is far left? Have you seriously ever picked up that magazine? The economist is socially moderate-left (mostly socially progressive, but less so on certain issues such as Palestine, and generally not devoting time to fringe opinions at all) but very, very free-market oriented. The closest political orientation to them is "classically liberal", or in US terms, "libertarian", or "moderate Republican".
livueta 8y ago
It's a little disingenuous to not mention that they subsequently published a retraction and an apology: https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/03/28/inside-the-mind-of-ben-shapiro-a-radical-conservative https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/03/28/inside-the-... > Editor’s note (March 28th 2019): This article has been changed. A previous version mistakenly described Mr Shapiro as an “alt-right sage” and “a pop idol of the alt right”. In fact, he has been strongly critical of the alt-right movement. We apologise. I'm not in ideological lockstep with them on many topics, but that sort of journalistic integrity is one of the things that distinguishes them from plenty of rags that are purely motivated by partisan ideology.