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It's become a common way of signaling that your app/service is "Free as in Freedom", as opposed to "Free as in beer", open source vs. FOSS, etc. I find it a li

It's become a common way of signaling that your app/service is "Free as in Freedom", as opposed to "Free as in beer", open source vs. FOSS, etc. I find it a little odd here, because Firefox already meets the definition of FOSS. But it's not unheard of for a popular project to go from free to proprietary, and for a fork of the last free version to somewhere work "libre" into the title.

floatingatoll 8y ago
It's become a very effective way for me to detect projects that have prioritized idealism over pragmatism. (I personally fall on the pragmatism side of that spectrum, and so I find it useful to avoid the oil-water problems that causes.)
type0 8y ago
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as FOSS, is in fact FLOSS, or as I've recently taken to calling it F/L/OS/S meaning “Free/Libre and Open Source Software”. Free is not free by itself, call if F/L/OS/S to explicitly avoid a preference between the two political camps. If you wish to be neutral, this is a good way to do it, since this makes the names of the two camps equally prominent. There really is a F/L/OS software and there are people who use it, but it is just a part of the system they use, that in fact called GNU/Linux. Anyway Libre refers to freedom, instead of calling it open source you could also start to call this type of software Libre software. “Free and Open Source Software” is misleading since it can be interpreted as free as in beer when it is Free as in Freedom. Not calling it FLOSS is an obstacle to understanding GNU philosophy, free software and open source are different political positions that are completely not the same. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html
humblebee 8y ago
At one point I understood the distinction of `"Free as in Freedom", as opposed to "Free as in beer"`, but I have since forgot. Is there a longer form explanation I can read / bookmark?
- salutonmundo 8y ago
  this is free as in freedom https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html free as in beer just means you're not charged a fee.
salutonmundo 8y ago
More to the point, "Librefox" is a project about privacy, not freedom. Others have pointed out that this project actually bundles some proprietary addons—so the name makes no sense.
nothrabannosir 8y ago
Which always irks me, because we already have a great word to mean "Free as in Freedom", and that is: "Freedom." I'd love if we could start calling free software, Freedom Software. Think of the benefits to the FLOSS PR movement! I actually e-mailed rms about this, he said they considered the name but couldn't use it because of a trademark. I say to hell with that: the needs of the many, and all that! Freedom Software for all!

floatingatoll 8y ago

It's become a very effective way for me to detect projects that have prioritized idealism over pragmatism. (I personally fall on the pragmatism side of that spectrum, and so I find it useful to avoid the oil-water problems that causes.)

type0 8y ago

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as FOSS, is in fact FLOSS, or as I've recently taken to calling it F/L/OS/S meaning “Free/Libre and Open Source Software”. Free is not free by itself, call if F/L/OS/S to explicitly avoid a preference between the two political camps. If you wish to be neutral, this is a good way to do it, since this makes the names of the two camps equally prominent. There really is a F/L/OS software and there are people who use it, but it is just a part of the system they use, that in fact called GNU/Linux. Anyway Libre refers to freedom, instead of calling it open source you could also start to call this type of software Libre software. “Free and Open Source Software” is misleading since it can be interpreted as free as in beer when it is Free as in Freedom. Not calling it FLOSS is an obstacle to understanding GNU philosophy, free software and open source are different political positions that are completely not the same. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html

humblebee 8y ago

At one point I understood the distinction of `"Free as in Freedom", as opposed to "Free as in beer"`, but I have since forgot. Is there a longer form explanation I can read / bookmark?

salutonmundo 8y ago
this is free as in freedom https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html free as in beer just means you're not charged a fee.

salutonmundo 8y ago

More to the point, "Librefox" is a project about privacy, not freedom. Others have pointed out that this project actually bundles some proprietary addons—so the name makes no sense.

nothrabannosir 8y ago

Which always irks me, because we already have a great word to mean "Free as in Freedom", and that is: "Freedom." I'd love if we could start calling free software, Freedom Software. Think of the benefits to the FLOSS PR movement! I actually e-mailed rms about this, he said they considered the name but couldn't use it because of a trademark. I say to hell with that: the needs of the many, and all that! Freedom Software for all!