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Most criticisms of California target public sector backwardness, so it's not a refutation of that to point to the strength of the state's private sector. And "C

• boucher 16y ago
  The argument that California's policies must be bad, regardless of the fact that they've produced the strongest private sector in the country, is equally fallacious.
  • karzeem 16y ago
    True, though for a lot of state policies, people seem to generally agree that they're bad, just not on whether they're bad enough to justify the pain of changing them. The policies, good or bad, coexist with the country's strongest private sector, but that doesn't mean they caused it.
    • Yzupnick 16y ago
      I would even say that the reverse is possible. That because of it's extremely strong private sector, the state was able to afford these bad policies. I'm pretty sure that this is not true, I'm just emphasizing your point of not reading into it that much. Pretty much any theory you want could be proved from two seemingly related pieces of data.(broad generalization I know.)
  • dhbanes 16y ago
    Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems to me that California's private sector is strong despite its backward government, not as a result of it. California is an extremely desirable place to live. This attracts business owners and highly qualified employees alike. I would be interested to hear which of California's policies you believe play a significant role in the success of its resident businesses.
    • _delirium 16y ago
      > I would be interested to hear which of California's policies you believe play a significant role in the success of its resident businesses. Its large subsidies for higher education played a significant role imo, especially during the era (up through the early 1990s or so) when they were larger. The state used to fund the UC and Cal State systems with a larger subsidy than today's (much larger if you account for population growth), and also indirectly supported the state's private universities, by providing very generous scholarships to CA high-school students with good grades, if they chose to attend any in-state university, public or private (the old CalGrants program, which still exists in name, but with much reduced scope). The "ton of taxpayer money spent on higher education" policy doesn't fully account for the highly qualified employee base and large number of university-research spinoffs and collaborations, but I think it probably accounts for some of it. Interestingly, Texas is another example, despite otherwise being more small-government than California: it imposed an oil-and-gas extraction tax in the early 20th century, with a significant portion of the revenues legally required to go to the state-university trust fund, which in part accounts for the strength of the UT and Texas A&M systems, and the high-tech concentration in Austin.
    • hga 16y ago
      You didn't ask this question of me, but I would add the unenforceablity of non-competes. E.g. it's hard to see how Shockley -> Fairchild -> A Hundred Flowers would have happened in another state.
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  • ataggart 16y ago
    The argument that California's policies produced the strongest private sector in the country is equally fallacious.
    • geebee 16y ago
      I'm pretty sure I agree... I think you're saying that it would be fallacious to attribute california's strong private sector by association alone. (ie., california has a strong private sector, therefore, california's government must not be harming the private sector is fallacious). It's an open question. California's private sector may actually enable bad government. Some of this is just geography - california has some huge advantages (quality of life) that means people will put up with a lot to live here. As for government... well, one thing the state gov't did a long time ago was fund an extremely strong system of public universities, a move that continues to pay huge dividends, both in terms of educating large numbers of native-born californians as well as drawing in highly productive people from the rest of the world. I think that to some extent, california is coasting on past investments here, since the amount the state contributes to UC has been declining. But it would take a lot to wrest high tech away from a region that has stanford, berkeley, and UCSF. So to some extent, you could say california gets away with some very bad decisions because it also made some very good decisions.
  • uuilly 16y ago
    Most of the pain of California's bad policies have not yet been felt. Things are easy when you're spending but they get harder when you have to pay people back. Also rich people and corporations are leaving the state and poor people, mainly Mexican immigrants, are moving in. So along with a completely unsustainable budget, the largest tax contributers are decreasing and the largest tax recipients are increasing. California cannot survive without some combination of: -Huge Spending cuts -Huge Tax increases (which, if overdone, may result in less tax revenue.) -Federal Gov't bailout. You can play cause and effect all you want, but basic arithmetic is really all that matters.
    • pyre 16y ago
      > Also rich people and corporations are leaving the state > and poor people, mainly Mexican immigrants, are moving > in. My take-away from the blog post is that most of the hand-waving about California comes down to people making generalized statements like this, but when pressed to come up with actual data, they start to squirm and weasel out of making a more fact-based statement.