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Unlike you, I can provide citations for all of it. https://consortiumnews.com/2016/11/02/phony-corruption-excuse-for-ukraine-coup/ https://consortiumnews.com/2

Unlike you, I can provide citations for all of it. https://consortiumnews.com/2016/11/02/phony-corruption-excuse-for-ukraine-coup/ https://consortiumnews.com/2016/11/02/phony-corruption-excus... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Crimean_referendum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Crimean_referendum https://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/06/world/crimea-parliament-votes-to-back-independence-from-ukraine.html https://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/06/world/crimea-parliament-v... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Autonomous_Republic_of_Crimea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Autonomous... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO I can't provide a citation for east ukraine being part of Russia, as all the old maps simply list it as "russia." Even in the brief "independence" of 1917, the East (capital in Karkov) immediately went communist under Russian direction and proceeded to conquer the rest of the place, except for the Polish west, which came later.

inn_shopper 8y ago
So, your first link was to some antisemitic conspiratory blog (and your 'Nuland-Kagan' slip shows a bias). And your Wikipedia links clearly showing up the Russian attempts to instigate separatism in Crimea in 90-s (interestingly they've went to crush the same Chechen separatism later). And as for 1917 - Kharkov was _captured_ by Russians. And they've continued to annex rest of the Ukraine.
tptacek 8y ago
Can you provide a citation to something more reputable than "Consortium News"?
- neonate 8y ago
  Robert Parry was a great investigative journalist who stuck to factual, skeptical reporting at enormous cost to his career. Joe Lauria is similar. It's true that CN republishes a lot of less reliable articles, but at their core they are a genuine dissident publication. You shouldn't dismiss them so easily.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    I'd rather just read Wikileaks Twitter account directly.
yaris 8y ago
Putting US-NATO stuff aside: "has historically always been part of Russia" is very bad reason to invade a country, especially in XXI century. Because most (if not all) countries have parts that from some perspective "have historically always been" parts of other countries.

inn_shopper 8y ago

So, your first link was to some antisemitic conspiratory blog (and your 'Nuland-Kagan' slip shows a bias). And your Wikipedia links clearly showing up the Russian attempts to instigate separatism in Crimea in 90-s (interestingly they've went to crush the same Chechen separatism later). And as for 1917 - Kharkov was _captured_ by Russians. And they've continued to annex rest of the Ukraine.

tptacek 8y ago

Can you provide a citation to something more reputable than "Consortium News"?

neonate 8y ago
Robert Parry was a great investigative journalist who stuck to factual, skeptical reporting at enormous cost to his career. Joe Lauria is similar. It's true that CN republishes a lot of less reliable articles, but at their core they are a genuine dissident publication. You shouldn't dismiss them so easily.
- tptacek 8y ago
  I'd rather just read Wikileaks Twitter account directly.

yaris 8y ago

Putting US-NATO stuff aside: "has historically always been part of Russia" is very bad reason to invade a country, especially in XXI century. Because most (if not all) countries have parts that from some perspective "have historically always been" parts of other countries.