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I'm sorry: I do not share your optimistic views that there is one side better than the other. I look, in fact, at people who have such views as dupes who are ma

I'm sorry: I do not share your optimistic views that there is one side better than the other. I look, in fact, at people who have such views as dupes who are making the country worse. "You" and the US as a whole do not produce "culture, and planes, and tremendous advancements in science, and research" -these are achievements of the US in the cold war era. They stopped post cold war; the country is now a sheep shearing operation fueled by eternal war. The bipartisan consensus is: drug the population, eternal war and keep the peons fighting each other while we pick their pockets and slowly enslave them. Were you not sentient during the Obama administration? That's as left wing as we're gonna get. It was basically the Goldman-Bush administration ... with a shitty republican health care plan. FWIIW I was born in the US and lived here almost my entire life; I don't plan on dying here. Good on you for sticking it out: I'll vote with my feet while I still can.

codyb 8y ago
Yes because it’s always been the Democrats who’ve opposed making healthcare better. And the Democrats who started those wars. And the Democrats who give tax cuts to the wealthy. And the Democrats who get indicted for corruption constantly. The idea that the Obama administration is as left as we can get is some seriously revisionist history which disregards which party was continually blocking any attempt at progress the other party made. The Democrats never blocked Supreme court nominees for a year, or stone walled any attempt at legislation put forth by the other party. No Democratic Senate Majority Leader ever said “our only goal is to make this guy a one term President”. And during the Bush years there were many examples of bipartisan initiatives which went forward. That all ended after Obama’s second year as President when Republican’s won the House and Senate and decided the only thing they would be for was being against Obama. You’re placing the blame on both parties for the Obama administration and yet only one party is to blame for the abject lack of forward progress during that administration. And despite that, under Obama millions and millions of American’s gained healthcare, gays got the right to marry, the United States came out of an absolutely tremendous recession, the US scaled back it’s wars in the Middle East, and the US regained some of the respect it lost under the Bush administration. And yes, I, and the US as a whole absolutely produce tremendous amounts of culture, technology, science, and research. No idea where you think Hollywood movies come from, or many of the advances in healthcare, or silicon valley came from.
- scottlocklin 8y ago
  Look at you, litigating this as if it's a party thing. It's not a party thing. It's a false oppos thing. Nobody in this country except the "fringe" candidates, who are purposefully kept fringe, are talking about real issues. You aren't either; you're talking about meaningless emotional bullet points. You've drunk so much kool aide, blaming the dumb rednecks for all your problems, you might as well be writing the stuff. Many advances in healthcare? Name one! The US population's average lifespan is declining; something that has never happened before. Yay muh "health care" and alleged medical advancements. Hollywood is garbage, and I don't watch it, basically, at all. Your civilization is declining, physically, culturally, even technologically. The last interesting technological thing the US did was search engines, and that happened in the 20th century. Anyway, you can console yourself with the fact that I'm leaving! And every time I interact with people like you, or your ideological opposite, I'm more determined to GTFO the sinking ship while I still can.
  - codyb 8y ago
    Lol.
  - 4thaccount 8y ago
    I've often thought this as well as we basically are just making marginal advancements at this point in things like computing power (hey, let's shrink this some more or add more cores). The nuclear power industry is a sinking ship (wind, solar, and storage won't be enough), and we lose more freedoms every year. However...where else would you go? A Nordic country? Switzerland? I think you would want some place high on the freedom list that has a good economy and also a strong enough military to not have to worry about getting steamrolled. I don't think there are too many that meet that list.
    - scottlocklin 8y ago
      If you're serious about leaving, you have to war game it out in your head for what your personal future looks like in the US versus somewhere else; depends on what you do for money, what your net worth is, what kind of freedoms are important to you, whether or not you have a family to worry about and so on. What's the worst thing that could happen in country X,Y,Z; what is the median outcome, etc. It's a simple calculation for me and lots of places work. Switzerland is hard to beat as far as long term stability goes, but one of the reasons it is hard to beat is they don't just let anybody in.

codyb 8y ago

Yes because it’s always been the Democrats who’ve opposed making healthcare better. And the Democrats who started those wars. And the Democrats who give tax cuts to the wealthy. And the Democrats who get indicted for corruption constantly. The idea that the Obama administration is as left as we can get is some seriously revisionist history which disregards which party was continually blocking any attempt at progress the other party made. The Democrats never blocked Supreme court nominees for a year, or stone walled any attempt at legislation put forth by the other party. No Democratic Senate Majority Leader ever said “our only goal is to make this guy a one term President”. And during the Bush years there were many examples of bipartisan initiatives which went forward. That all ended after Obama’s second year as President when Republican’s won the House and Senate and decided the only thing they would be for was being against Obama. You’re placing the blame on both parties for the Obama administration and yet only one party is to blame for the abject lack of forward progress during that administration. And despite that, under Obama millions and millions of American’s gained healthcare, gays got the right to marry, the United States came out of an absolutely tremendous recession, the US scaled back it’s wars in the Middle East, and the US regained some of the respect it lost under the Bush administration. And yes, I, and the US as a whole absolutely produce tremendous amounts of culture, technology, science, and research. No idea where you think Hollywood movies come from, or many of the advances in healthcare, or silicon valley came from.

scottlocklin 8y ago
Look at you, litigating this as if it's a party thing. It's not a party thing. It's a false oppos thing. Nobody in this country except the "fringe" candidates, who are purposefully kept fringe, are talking about real issues. You aren't either; you're talking about meaningless emotional bullet points. You've drunk so much kool aide, blaming the dumb rednecks for all your problems, you might as well be writing the stuff. Many advances in healthcare? Name one! The US population's average lifespan is declining; something that has never happened before. Yay muh "health care" and alleged medical advancements. Hollywood is garbage, and I don't watch it, basically, at all. Your civilization is declining, physically, culturally, even technologically. The last interesting technological thing the US did was search engines, and that happened in the 20th century. Anyway, you can console yourself with the fact that I'm leaving! And every time I interact with people like you, or your ideological opposite, I'm more determined to GTFO the sinking ship while I still can.
- codyb 8y ago
  Lol.
- 4thaccount 8y ago
  I've often thought this as well as we basically are just making marginal advancements at this point in things like computing power (hey, let's shrink this some more or add more cores). The nuclear power industry is a sinking ship (wind, solar, and storage won't be enough), and we lose more freedoms every year. However...where else would you go? A Nordic country? Switzerland? I think you would want some place high on the freedom list that has a good economy and also a strong enough military to not have to worry about getting steamrolled. I don't think there are too many that meet that list.
  - scottlocklin 8y ago
    If you're serious about leaving, you have to war game it out in your head for what your personal future looks like in the US versus somewhere else; depends on what you do for money, what your net worth is, what kind of freedoms are important to you, whether or not you have a family to worry about and so on. What's the worst thing that could happen in country X,Y,Z; what is the median outcome, etc. It's a simple calculation for me and lots of places work. Switzerland is hard to beat as far as long term stability goes, but one of the reasons it is hard to beat is they don't just let anybody in.