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More accurate: Imagine Florida was an independent country for a thousand years. Then 20 years ago, it joined a newly formed pseudo-state organization. It's sinc

More accurate: Imagine Florida was an independent country for a thousand years. Then 20 years ago, it joined a newly formed pseudo-state organization. It's since realized that it doesn't like when Maine enacts an insane internet copyright law (because it conflicts with Florida's insane cookie law) and a host of other unforeseen issues. It decides to go back to being an independent entity but Floridians with economic ties to New Hampshire resist.

qnsi 8y ago
46 years ago
- malvosenior 8y ago
  The EU was formally created in 1993 but didn't become a monetary union until 2002.
  - MagnumOpus 8y ago
    The EU is not a monetary union, the EMU is. The UK is not a member of the EMU and never has to be.
  - qnsi 8y ago
    sure, but there were other forms of cooperation before. UK joined EEC in 1975. It's not like there were sovereign countries and all of the sudden in 1993 they decided to create European Union. Also one cannot forget why EU and ancestors was created. To avoid another war in Europe and in my opinion it was pretty successful.
    - dingaling 8y ago
      But you're retro-attributing 'peace in Europe' to organisations that didn't have any substantive existence until the mid-1970s. NATO was formed in 1949 and has more relevance to preventing war in Western Europe than any subsequent organisation. By the time the EU was formed the Berlin Wall had fallen! The EC&SC, EEC and EU could exist because of peace in Europe.
      - qnsi 8y ago
        EC&SC was created in 1952. If it was only about NATO, wouldn't it be super easy for one country to just leave NATO and act in bad faith? It's harder to leave when your economies are dependent on each other. Tough I am not that knowledgable about history of EU so it's very probably you are right and I am making fool of myself
      - hesk 8y ago
        NATO was founded to keep the external peace, i.e., keep out the Russians. The EU and its predecessors was founded to keep the internal peace, i.e., stop the Germans and the French from going to war. The EC&SC was political from the beginning. The idea was to intertwine the economies so much that war becomes a lose-lose game. So the economic integration was always a means to a political end.
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MagnumOpus 8y ago
> Maine enacts an insane internet copyright law UK MEPs voted in favour of it, you know. > 20 years ago, it joined 46 years for the UK, which is a pretty big difference. > Floridians with economic ties to New Hampshire resist Florida's GDP is 20x that of NH - and a tiny fraction of its economy depends on NH. While UK GDP is 16% of the remaining EU, and half their exports go there. Your analogy stinks - and likely with the intent to deceive.

qnsi 8y ago

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malvosenior 8y ago
The EU was formally created in 1993 but didn't become a monetary union until 2002.
- MagnumOpus 8y ago
  The EU is not a monetary union, the EMU is. The UK is not a member of the EMU and never has to be.
- qnsi 8y ago
  sure, but there were other forms of cooperation before. UK joined EEC in 1975. It's not like there were sovereign countries and all of the sudden in 1993 they decided to create European Union. Also one cannot forget why EU and ancestors was created. To avoid another war in Europe and in my opinion it was pretty successful.
  - dingaling 8y ago
    But you're retro-attributing 'peace in Europe' to organisations that didn't have any substantive existence until the mid-1970s. NATO was formed in 1949 and has more relevance to preventing war in Western Europe than any subsequent organisation. By the time the EU was formed the Berlin Wall had fallen! The EC&SC, EEC and EU could exist because of peace in Europe.
    - qnsi 8y ago
      EC&SC was created in 1952. If it was only about NATO, wouldn't it be super easy for one country to just leave NATO and act in bad faith? It's harder to leave when your economies are dependent on each other. Tough I am not that knowledgable about history of EU so it's very probably you are right and I am making fool of myself
    - hesk 8y ago
      NATO was founded to keep the external peace, i.e., keep out the Russians. The EU and its predecessors was founded to keep the internal peace, i.e., stop the Germans and the French from going to war. The EC&SC was political from the beginning. The idea was to intertwine the economies so much that war becomes a lose-lose game. So the economic integration was always a means to a political end.
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MagnumOpus 8y ago

> Maine enacts an insane internet copyright law UK MEPs voted in favour of it, you know. > 20 years ago, it joined 46 years for the UK, which is a pretty big difference. > Floridians with economic ties to New Hampshire resist Florida's GDP is 20x that of NH - and a tiny fraction of its economy depends on NH. While UK GDP is 16% of the remaining EU, and half their exports go there. Your analogy stinks - and likely with the intent to deceive.