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Nokia 9 PureView Now Available: A Flagship with a 5+1-Camera Array
- swarnie_ 8y ago2 × 12 MP RGB, f/1.8, 1/2.9", 1.25µm 3 × 12 MP BW, f/1.8, 1/2.9", 1.25µm 1 × TOF depth sensor 1 × dual-LED/dual-tone flash Zeiss Optics Who is this phone even for? If you're that into cameras wouldn't you go buy... a camera?
- quickthrower2 8y agoThe best camera is the one you have with you.
- jplayer01 8y agoSome people don't always want to carry around their DSLR. Having a decent back-up with great image quality in their phone that they always have with them is convenient. And not everybody is willing to buy a DSLR, but cares just enough about picture quality that they might get this. Apple and Samsung don't fill their advertising with how great their cameras are just for fun.
- a012 8y agoA compact camera like Sony RX100 or Ricoh GR II would give you better quality than phones camera yet smaller than a DSLR
- folex 8y agoHaving GR III, but not very skillful with it, I would say that taking an image as vivid and clear as AI-backed smartphone (e.g., Pixel 2XL) is pretty hard. And it would likely require some post-processing. But of course, the GR's image is much more detailed and sharper. But that is almost negligible on the small Instagram photos. edit: typo
- dagw 8y agoYes and no. Phones these days have a lot of very smart built in software that makes it very easy to take good looking pictures in most situations by just pointing and clicking. Could a skilled photographer using an RX100 in manual mode and then spending 30 minutes in Lightroom produces better results? Absolutely. Would a picture taken with an RX100 in full auto mode using the default jpeg settings look better when viewed on a phone or computer screen, probably not.
- lucasverra 8y agothis comment right there will be useful for years to come. /Saving
- jplayer01 8y agoAnd yet it's still an extra device that you'd need to plan for using. I have this Sansa MP3 player with great quality audio that is 1/10th the size of your average digital camera. I still don't bring it with me anywhere anymore.
- Tor3 8y agoIt's different from your normal DSLR, the point of those five cameras is to get control over the field of depth. You can shift the focus after you've taken the picture. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-47350379/hands-on-with-the-nokia-9-pureview https://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-47350379/hands-on-wit...
- rasz 8y agoThe very best camera is the one you have on hand when opportunity for taking a shot arises. Good luck lugging a DSLR 24/7.
- random878 8y agoCheap phone + Ricoh GR
- httpsterio 8y agoAs others stated, I don't carry my DSLR with me at all times. It weighs almost two kilograms with the lenses and I need to have a bag for it or carry it around my neck for the whole day (did it a few times on a trip, ouch). I bought the Nokia 9 because its faster to get good photos than a regular camera and easier to lug around than a DSLR. For its price, I'm really happy with the specs and the camera. Only minus is the horrendous fingerprint scanner.
- fsloth 8y agoIt's not people who care about cameras, it's for people who enjoy photography. Those are not completely related, since a camera junkie might enjoy collecting hardware for the thrill of it.
- hokobomo 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypophobia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypophobia
- satysin 8y agoIndeed. I don't have Trypophobia but it does kinda make me feel a little uneasy. Just looks awful to me.
- TomMarius 8y agoBut the phone is perfectly regular and symmetrical...?
- maaaats 8y agoWow, I got goose bumps looking at that picture. Weird.
- ZeWaren 8y agoHaha, I thought the same thing.
- citeguised 8y agoVery fascinating. Now I know why the Light-Camera [1] looks just plain ugly to me. The Nokia-Phone is a little better, but also non-pleasant at least. [1] https://light.co/camera https://light.co/camera
- andai 8y agoOh man, that is not OK.
- winter_blue 8y agoThat camera does look really ugly. Like it's got chicken pox. I wonder how they expect to sell well, with it looking like that.
- jj2ay0 8y agohttps://www.zdnet.com/article/nokia-firmware-blunder-sent-some-user-data-to-china/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/nokia-firmware-blunder-sent-so...
- unionpivo 8y agoNote I own nokia 7 plus (the phone that had this issue) There was a fix released, for anyone with nokia 7 plus, just install latest firmware. Also since this problem only affected 1 phone out of their line, I believe them it was a screw-up and not intentional.
- nabla9 8y agoIt was bad screw up and PR hit, but it was not intentional.
- giancarlostoro 8y agoI just hope it doesn't continue to happen, I would love to see Nokia not fail. Unfortunately bad PR like this will be uttered for years to come, some geeks are not very forgiving. We see it with Microsoft still, despite their many contributions to open source, and their openness compared to Oracle. Otherwise I will have to stick to Motorola for my next phone, I love that Nokia and Motorola make more minimal phones. If Google would bring back Nexus as a way for manufacturers to release phones that are fully stock android, that would be great, or some sort of similar line of phones. Otherwise I'm leaning towards iPhone with all the stupid Android scandals, especially if one of the Moto phones is found to have a similar problem, enough is enough.
- josteink 8y agoDoes this one also report all your activity to China like the 7+ was exposed doing?[1] That I even have to ask this question about a Nokia phone is just mind blowing and utterly telling about the appalling state of digital privacy in general. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19449824 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19449824
- unionpivo 8y agoDon't want to shill too much for nokia (or HTE), but it was fixed, and since it affected only one phone out of their line up I believe them, it wasn't intentional. Edit: typos
- josteink 8y agoSomething like that doesn’t happen by accident though. Someone had to write that code. For some configurations, markets or customers this was intentional behavior. Maybe it wasn’t meant for everyone. This time. But if Nokia let it slip once, I see no reason not to be skeptical of future models. They lost my trust. Now they’ll have to re-earn it.
- xrisk 8y agoYes, that code was written for the model meant to be sold in China. I can completely understand how it might have accidentally been bundled onto a non-Chinese model.
- obrisintor 8y ago> No 3.5 mm jack Oh well
- llampx 8y agoThis is an important feature for me and I don't think the rest of the phone can make up for the lack of such an important feature.
- krn 8y agoI personally didn't find the lack of 3.5 mm jack to be as big of an issue as I thought it will be. I just attached the USB-C-to-3.5mm adapter that came in the box to the headphone cable and forgot about it.
- wodenokoto 8y agoI found it to be a really big issue. But i guess it is about expectations. I bought iPhone XS expecting it to be a none-issue, but it also doesn't come with a converter.
- dagw 8y agoDo you know if these converters are device specific or can I plug them into any USB-C port on any computer and have sound come out of my headphones.
- AriaMinaei 8y agoOn iPhones at least, the Lightning-to-jack dongle is actually a whole DAC. Also a DAC that works on Android wouldn't necessarily work on iPhones.
- arusahni 8y agoIt varies from adapter to adapter. The one that came with my Pixel works on my 2018 MBP.
- morsch 8y agoSome phones support audio accessory mode, which is a way to reserve some pins for analog audio signals. In this case, you only need a passive adapter. There's no reason why desktop or laptops computers couldn't support it, too, but if they do, it's rare. So such an adapter is unlikely to work with a computer, and may not work with all phones. The alternative is an active device, with its own DAC and amplifier. This is more likely to work with all your devices; I'm pretty sure I could connect my desktop computer's external USB headphone amp to my android phone and it'd just work. Details: https://www.soundguys.com/usb-audio-explained-18563/ https://www.soundguys.com/usb-audio-explained-18563/ https://www.androidcentral.com/usb-c-audio https://www.androidcentral.com/usb-c-audio
- kmlx 8y agoam i the only one that is reminded by the "multi-blade razor wars", when gillette and wilkinson got into a "mine has more blades" competition? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-knives-are-out-in-the-razor-wars-6107113.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-knive... >> Gillette has historically called the shots in this razor war. It enjoys a huge worldwide sales advantage over Schick/Wilkinson Sword, which is now based in St Louis. With several lawsuits and countersuits constantly on the go, the companies can fairly be said truly to hate one another - especially since Gillette was unnerved in 2003 by Wilkinson Sword's brilliant and somewhat insolent introduction of the Quattro, a four-blade beast of a razor, which captured Gillette's jealously-guarded "most blades" title and has held on to it for the past three years.
- fsloth 8y agoWith cameras more physical lense area and more sensor area should actually be beneficial.
- 4thaccount 8y agoIf you think that is crazy look back to the Nokia 1020 that had a 41 MP camera and PureView back when most phones had like 8 MP. It took some awesome photos and several of my friends were very satisfied with the phone.
- fraqed 8y agoAAWP just did a PureView comparison, very interesting that the older Nokias actually beat the new Nokia 9 PureView http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/23435_Imaging_showdown_Nokia_808_Sym.php http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/features/item/23435_Imaging_...
- diggernet 8y agoSounds like maybe I ought to pull the old 1020 out of my museum. One error in that article, though... it is possible to turn off the downsampling to 5MP.
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- ignoramous 8y agoThis pureview-camera is designed by https://light.co https://light.co who bagged $121m [0] in Series D funding lead by SoftBank a year back to develop what they call 'software-defined cameras' (SDN/IDN/NFV equivalent of the computer networking world, I guess). We might see more of these. Here's a talk from co-founder Rajiv Laroia on their first camera, L16: https://spot.light.co/the-l16-under-the-hood/ https://spot.light.co/the-l16-under-the-hood/ ( https://youtu.be/vKmC9xWHhM4 https://youtu.be/vKmC9xWHhM4 ) The fancy camera aside, I'd have tough time recommending a Nokia device after they were caught sending user-data to servers in China: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19449824 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19449824 but then again almost all major android phone manufacturers are Chinese... [0] https://angel.co/light https://angel.co/light
- baybal2 8y agoNokia is not a stranger to multi-aperture cameras. Their first acquisition in this space was from more than 10 years ago. Logic is following - it is physically impossible to stuff decent optics inside the phone, and extensive software processing is unavoidable. Thus, if you have to drink the software processing koolaid, drink as much as you can. Another notable player in the are is https://www.facetvision.de/ https://www.facetvision.de/ - Fraunhofer's third or fourth respin of their camera module business. They had silicon to show, but I believe nobody took the bait yet.
- sorenjan 8y agoI almost bought a Nokia phone, but after I found out their Android One phones have a bunch of Chinese made services running on them I figured I might as well buy a Chinese phone with better specs for the money and went with Xiaomi.
- perttir 8y agoThe phone which send data to Chinese servers, were using firmware/software version only used in Chinese market. There were some faulty phones in wrong market where the firmware was using the "chinese version."
- jo-wol 8y agoIs it sending data to Chinese servers?
- smush 8y agoNo. That was one particular model (the 7) that accidentally got Chinese-market software loaded onto all the phones, not just the ones required by law to have it. A software update corrected the issue since. Your caution is warranted and laudable. In terms of traffic, this is not a stop sign, but a proceed cautiously sign.
- felipeerias 8y agoI've tried one and the quality of the camera(s) is indeed excellent. The phone can do some neat tricks, like changing the focus of a photo after it has been taken. However, it feels kind of slow: RAW photos need to be post-processed before you can tinker with them and this can take a while, specially if you have taken several pics at the same time.
- Yizahi 8y agoAbysmal battery (in 2019) and chinese ad spyware in supposedly pure Android drop this phone to the bottom of competition. If it had rumored 4150mAh battery and clean system I would buy it immediately.
- surfingdino 8y agoThe UK site offers a free screen replacement... does that mean the screens need replacing straight out of factory? https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_gb/nokia-9-pureview/#recommended-phones https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_gb/nokia-9-pureview/#recomme... "6) The offer will be open to any customers who has purchased Nokia 9 PureView from the Nokia mobile online shop between 24.02.2019 and 30.04.2019 and are residents of Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Ireland, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Sweden or UK. The offer is valid until the stock lasts. Coverage period of the screen replacement is only valid for ninety (90) days after date of delivery of the phone. The customer must be aged 18+ and agree to the promotion rules to participate. Redeeming the Service may require a valid proof of purchase such as order confirmation from Nokia online store, or receipt or invoice from authorized Nokia reseller, showing the date of purchase of the eligible Nokia phone. Instructions on how to redeem your free screen replacement and full Terms & Conditions can be found here. Your personal data will be used according to HMD Global Privacy Policy."
- surfingdino 8y agoOr is this in lieu of the free earbuds they used to offer before?
- diggernet 8y agoA PureView phone with no dedicated two-stage camera button? I thought these folks were former Nokia engineers!