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>You seem to be ignoring that some manufacturers, like Apple, will straight up refuse to do repairs or sell replacement parts in some cases. Seriously, can you
by xoa 8y ago
>You seem to be ignoring that some manufacturers, like Apple, will straight up refuse to do repairs or sell replacement parts in some cases.
Seriously, can you please explain how on Earth you got "me ignoring that" when I directly stated I thought it should be legally required for all manufacturers, specifically including Apple, to do repairs for a long period of time. I used 4-5 years as an example period that might be reasonable for a $500-1k phone.
>Similarly Apple refuses to do repairs or charge extreme amounts once a Macbook is "too old"
Which is why I'm saying that shouldn't be allowed. Holy crap is this place frustrating sometimes.
>And they are increasingly engineering it in such a way as to specifically prevent other companies from doing the repairs that they won't.
I don't see that. I see an inevitable result of engineering things to be as compact and efficient as possible. The higher the active to dead matter ratio, the less leeway there is for simple repair and swapping too. The problem isn't making that tradeoff, the problem is not pricing it in.
>The point of right to repair is that it acknowledges that the economic interests of a manufacturer are to sell you a replacement, not to repair/service a machine.
Lots of things in a free market are not in a manufacturers interests, like dumping toxins. If there was no such thing we'd never have to worry about externalities and such in the first place. That's why a free market is created by regulation and requires regulation for running, it's just a tool. It makes the most sense to regulate the desired result. Just pass a law saying manufacturers must offer 1 year of warranty on every $125 value of electronic goods up to a maximum of 6 years. Or make it a formula that scales down. Or a host of other ways. But match people's expectations that "this device I bought should work for a reasonable lifespan" and require them to meet that the exact same way we require them to meet standards for safety and labor and environment and on and on and on.
This is one of the issues that really blows my mind on HN. The disdain technical people here often display towards people in other fields even now is really sad.
- kllrnohj 8y ago> Which is why I'm saying that shouldn't be allowed. How? You're going to pass legislation that mandates manufacturers support repairing indefinitely and at a reasonable cost? What if they go out of business, or just literally don't have a repair division in the first place? And why does the manufacturer get gifted a monopoly here? > I don't see that. I see an inevitable result of engineering things to be as compact and efficient as possible. The higher the active to dead matter ratio, the less leeway there is for simple repair and swapping too. The problem isn't making that tradeoff, the problem is not pricing it in. That's because you're confused as to the topic it seems. Nobody is saying that devices have to be easy to repair. They are instead saying you can't DRM replacement hardware and actively block importation of replacements, which is literally what major companies (including Apple) are doing right now. It isn't about engineering trade-offs compromising ease of repair, it's about literally engineering it to be impossible to repair (without DRM keys) > It makes the most sense to regulate the desired result. Just pass a law saying manufacturers must offer 1 year of warranty on every $125 value of electronic goods up to a maximum of 6 years. Well for starters because that's not actually the desired result, nor is that even a _good_ result. And you're calling other people's posts "frustrating", lol > The disdain technical people here often display towards people in other fields even now is really sad. Talk about unrelated & unwarranted, wow.
- xoa 8y ago>indefinitely I never once suggested any such thing. If you are so intellectually dishonest that you take fixed terms and caps and turn it into "indefinitely" then there is no point in discussing things any farther.