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Oddly I never considered starting a new project with it, but now I'm questioning why that is. I guess I just don't see many new projects started in Rails, and n

Oddly I never considered starting a new project with it, but now I'm questioning why that is. I guess I just don't see many new projects started in Rails, and nowhere I've worked the past few years uses it. I stopped using it after Rails 3, but I'll give it a try again in the next side-project I work on and see how it goes.

jacobsenscott 8y ago
Server side rendered is still fantastic for the vast bulk of web apps. Turbolinks and a bit of care around performance and all you users know is you have a fast site. Not many apps really need the super rich SPA type experience.
- tomaskafka 8y ago
  This. And it takes a LOT of work to emulate everything browsers give you for free on server side pages (caching, back button, reload to continue on connection loss ...)
- brightball 8y ago
  And you can take this approach to the next level with Phoenix LiveView that’s in its testing phase right now. Server rendering is so fast in Phoenix that it had a lot of people clamoring for a turbolinks-like solution to the problem. It’s not perfect yet, but as a first version is remarkably capable already.
  - jacobsenscott 8y ago
    I heard someone on the ruby rouges podcast say they got turbolinks to work on Phoenix pretty easily.
petepete 8y ago
Rails is used heavily even for new projects under the GOV.UK umbrella. The emphasis on accessibility and usability of government sites/applications weigh in favour of more-traditional stacks.
- herbst 8y ago
  Also Bern.ch/be uses quite a few rails apps. (but also django and PHP)
bunderbunder 8y ago
> why that is We as a profession seem to be perennial victims of availability bias. We're naturally going to think of the stuff we've been reading about lately on the Internet first. Which is just never going to be the established and stable stuff that'll let you get your job done without producing any blog-worthy experiences in the process. "Went home after 8 hours without producing any fodder for war stories" doesn't make for an interesting tweet, let alone post on Medium.
tomc1985 8y ago
Honestly I have stopped trusting 'the herd' as a metric as it seems we programmers are more enticed by shiny things than practicality or excellence in engineering

jacobsenscott 8y ago

Server side rendered is still fantastic for the vast bulk of web apps. Turbolinks and a bit of care around performance and all you users know is you have a fast site. Not many apps really need the super rich SPA type experience.

tomaskafka 8y ago
This. And it takes a LOT of work to emulate everything browsers give you for free on server side pages (caching, back button, reload to continue on connection loss ...)
brightball 8y ago
And you can take this approach to the next level with Phoenix LiveView that’s in its testing phase right now. Server rendering is so fast in Phoenix that it had a lot of people clamoring for a turbolinks-like solution to the problem. It’s not perfect yet, but as a first version is remarkably capable already.
- jacobsenscott 8y ago
  I heard someone on the ruby rouges podcast say they got turbolinks to work on Phoenix pretty easily.

petepete 8y ago

Rails is used heavily even for new projects under the GOV.UK umbrella. The emphasis on accessibility and usability of government sites/applications weigh in favour of more-traditional stacks.

herbst 8y ago
Also Bern.ch/be uses quite a few rails apps. (but also django and PHP)

bunderbunder 8y ago

> why that is We as a profession seem to be perennial victims of availability bias. We're naturally going to think of the stuff we've been reading about lately on the Internet first. Which is just never going to be the established and stable stuff that'll let you get your job done without producing any blog-worthy experiences in the process. "Went home after 8 hours without producing any fodder for war stories" doesn't make for an interesting tweet, let alone post on Medium.

tomc1985 8y ago

Honestly I have stopped trusting 'the herd' as a metric as it seems we programmers are more enticed by shiny things than practicality or excellence in engineering