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A four year degree is now seen as the educational floor by most employers. Heck, even police departments and many certifications are requiring you have a four y

A four year degree is now seen as the educational floor by most employers. Heck, even police departments and many certifications are requiring you have a four year degree (any degree will do). I think this trend is wrong headed, but at the same time how do we change organizations to train on the job. It is just a simple, and lazy, filter.

rooam-dev 8y ago
Train on the job. Easier said than done. How would you know if the person is even trainable? A degree should (not that ti does in many cases), but it should. Like a driver's license.
- 50656E6973 8y ago
  Start making schooling moreso about doing actual practical "on the job" type work?
- danaris 8y ago
  It used to be the norm. Most people didn't go to college, they got jobs and trained on the job. Most people were trainable just fine. I don't think people have changed that much in the last few decades. Hell, in the last few millennia. Most people who don't appear to be trainable are actually just assholes who want to make everyone else around them do the work.
netsharc 8y ago
I wonder how much of this new floor is because high schools diplomas are now just participation certificates (due to budget cuts, policies like no child left behind, and the spread of treating kids like snowflakes), and people are showing up at college not being able to do math or read at their grade level...
- bilbo0s 8y ago
  Not saying high school education is great, but if there are droves and droves of people showing up at college not able to do math or read, how exactly did they get the necessary points on the ACT or SAT? I mean, what you're saying is that the ACT/SAT are extremely easy tests, so that they can be completed without really knowing math or how to read. Or you're saying that gobs and gobs of people are cheating or using bribes to get the scores they need. Because they can't really read or do math well enough to be passing these tests on their own. I have a little trouble believing anything like that is going on. I think kids are likely passing these tests on their own merit. And are perfectly capable of doing the math and reading on the tests in question.
  - abootstrapper 8y ago
    Or theses tests are not a great indicator of college preparedness.
    - bilbo0s 8y ago
      I think that would fall under, "...the ACT/SAT are extremely easy tests..."
itslennysfault 8y ago
Until we have free (or very affordable like Canada) public college any rule like this is very classist.
- bitexploder 8y ago
  That is I think, the heart of it. But the job market doesn’t care.

rooam-dev 8y ago

Train on the job. Easier said than done. How would you know if the person is even trainable? A degree should (not that ti does in many cases), but it should. Like a driver's license.

50656E6973 8y ago
Start making schooling moreso about doing actual practical "on the job" type work?
danaris 8y ago
It used to be the norm. Most people didn't go to college, they got jobs and trained on the job. Most people were trainable just fine. I don't think people have changed that much in the last few decades. Hell, in the last few millennia. Most people who don't appear to be trainable are actually just assholes who want to make everyone else around them do the work.

netsharc 8y ago

I wonder how much of this new floor is because high schools diplomas are now just participation certificates (due to budget cuts, policies like no child left behind, and the spread of treating kids like snowflakes), and people are showing up at college not being able to do math or read at their grade level...

bilbo0s 8y ago
Not saying high school education is great, but if there are droves and droves of people showing up at college not able to do math or read, how exactly did they get the necessary points on the ACT or SAT? I mean, what you're saying is that the ACT/SAT are extremely easy tests, so that they can be completed without really knowing math or how to read. Or you're saying that gobs and gobs of people are cheating or using bribes to get the scores they need. Because they can't really read or do math well enough to be passing these tests on their own. I have a little trouble believing anything like that is going on. I think kids are likely passing these tests on their own merit. And are perfectly capable of doing the math and reading on the tests in question.
- abootstrapper 8y ago
  Or theses tests are not a great indicator of college preparedness.
  - bilbo0s 8y ago
    I think that would fall under, "...the ACT/SAT are extremely easy tests..."

itslennysfault 8y ago

Until we have free (or very affordable like Canada) public college any rule like this is very classist.

bitexploder 8y ago
That is I think, the heart of it. But the job market doesn’t care.