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If browsers used SmallTalk we would leapfrog about 30 years of reinventing the broken wheel and everyone would be better off (except maybe a few overpaid framew

If browsers used SmallTalk we would leapfrog about 30 years of reinventing the broken wheel and everyone would be better off (except maybe a few overpaid framework experts).

kbenson 8y ago
Assuming there would have been the same rate of adoption. I don't know, is it as easy to learn SmallTalk and do small tasks with it? The existing ecosystem may have been pretty good, all things considered. Fast ramp-up, with eventual shift into supporting bytecode efficiently so any language can run. Would you rather be coding around the inconsistencies in the SmallTalk implementations of Microsoft, Google and Mozilla, or just delivering a bytecode package of your code in whatever your favorite SmallTalk implementation (or any other language) is?
- fao_ 8y ago
  > is it as easy to learn SmallTalk and do small tasks with it? BASIC would be better than Javascript. C would be better than Javascript. Literally anything else, would have been better than Javascript. http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/a/javascript/excerpts/javascript-good-parts/bad-parts.html http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/a/javascript/excerpts/javascr... https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat http://www.javascriptgotchas.com/gotchas/common-javascript-errors-and-mistakes.html http://www.javascriptgotchas.com/gotchas/common-javascript-e... https://medium.com/javascript-non-grata/javascript-is-a-dysfunctional-programming-language-a1f4866e186f https://medium.com/javascript-non-grata/javascript-is-a-dysf... https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-javascript-suck/ https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-javascript-suck/ https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2015/12/09/javascript-the-bad-parts-with-john-k-paul/ https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2015/12/09/javascript-t... http://blog.thefirehoseproject.com/posts/why-im-angry-at-people-who-only-learn-javascript/ http://blog.thefirehoseproject.com/posts/why-im-angry-at-peo...
  - kbenson 8y ago
    > C would be better than Javascript. Yeah, I don't think so. No matter how bad Javascript is, C would be way worse. Every problem of C ported to the web so all those bad practices that are mostly harmless because they are usually in simple programs with no network access when local program all of a sudden being entirely exposed.

If browsers used SmallTalk we would leapfrog about 30 years of reinventing the broken wheel and everyone would be better off (except maybe a few overpaid framework experts).

kbenson 8y ago

Assuming there would have been the same rate of adoption. I don't know, is it as easy to learn SmallTalk and do small tasks with it? The existing ecosystem may have been pretty good, all things considered. Fast ramp-up, with eventual shift into supporting bytecode efficiently so any language can run. Would you rather be coding around the inconsistencies in the SmallTalk implementations of Microsoft, Google and Mozilla, or just delivering a bytecode package of your code in whatever your favorite SmallTalk implementation (or any other language) is?

fao_ 8y ago
> is it as easy to learn SmallTalk and do small tasks with it? BASIC would be better than Javascript. C would be better than Javascript. Literally anything else, would have been better than Javascript. http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/a/javascript/excerpts/javascript-good-parts/bad-parts.html http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/a/javascript/excerpts/javascr... https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat http://www.javascriptgotchas.com/gotchas/common-javascript-errors-and-mistakes.html http://www.javascriptgotchas.com/gotchas/common-javascript-e... https://medium.com/javascript-non-grata/javascript-is-a-dysfunctional-programming-language-a1f4866e186f https://medium.com/javascript-non-grata/javascript-is-a-dysf... https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-javascript-suck/ https://whydoesitsuck.com/why-does-javascript-suck/ https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2015/12/09/javascript-the-bad-parts-with-john-k-paul/ https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2015/12/09/javascript-t... http://blog.thefirehoseproject.com/posts/why-im-angry-at-people-who-only-learn-javascript/ http://blog.thefirehoseproject.com/posts/why-im-angry-at-peo...
- kbenson 8y ago
  > C would be better than Javascript. Yeah, I don't think so. No matter how bad Javascript is, C would be way worse. Every problem of C ported to the web so all those bad practices that are mostly harmless because they are usually in simple programs with no network access when local program all of a sudden being entirely exposed.