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Can you provide some concrete evidence to back up your claim that unions treat everyone the same? Unions exist in hundreds of occupations in the US that have cl

Can you provide some concrete evidence to back up your claim that unions treat everyone the same? Unions exist in hundreds of occupations in the US that have clear career progression. Police, teachers, pro athletes, pilots, manufacturing, and many many more utilize unions for labor negotiations. I don’t buy this sweeping generalization argument at all.

scarface74 8y ago
"Denver teachers strike in bid to dismantle pay-for-performance system" https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/02/11/denver-teachers-strike-bid-dismantle-pay-for-performance-system/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2e6dffacb736 https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/02/11/denver-t... Police Unions: "Why We Fight Against Performance Based Pay" http://www.mesampa.com/why-we-fight-against-performance-pay/ http://www.mesampa.com/why-we-fight-against-performance-pay/ "Merit Pay for Police Officers Is Overruled by Labor Board" https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/03/nyregion/merit-pay-for-police-officers-is-overruled-by-labor-board.html https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/03/nyregion/merit-pay-for-po... "Why It Can Take Six Years to Fire an Inappropriate or Ineffective Teacher" https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/why-it-can-take-six-years-to-fire-an-inappropriate-or-ineffective-teacher https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/why-it-can-take-six-...
- luckydata 8y ago
  Wow, that sounds really bad... until you read why. Have you tried to see if "pay for performance" schemes are weasel words by conservative politicians to institute damaging policies? The brainwashing runs deep in this country, a couple generations was taught to fight against their own interests in support of oligarchs and corporations and was sold as "democracy". We're witnessing the terminal phase of that, where it goes from here is up to us but you're killing all faith I have that we will have better lives in my lifetime. Some are born to be willing slaves and some are born to break the chains.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    From the NYT - the favorite magazine of the right: Even though the pay plan meant more money for many of its members, the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association filed an improper practice petition against the city, arguing that any changes in pay rates must be negotiated through collective bargaining. Tell me again why I would want this?

scarface74 8y ago

"Denver teachers strike in bid to dismantle pay-for-performance system" https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/02/11/denver-teachers-strike-bid-dismantle-pay-for-performance-system/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2e6dffacb736 https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/02/11/denver-t... Police Unions: "Why We Fight Against Performance Based Pay" http://www.mesampa.com/why-we-fight-against-performance-pay/ http://www.mesampa.com/why-we-fight-against-performance-pay/ "Merit Pay for Police Officers Is Overruled by Labor Board" https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/03/nyregion/merit-pay-for-police-officers-is-overruled-by-labor-board.html https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/03/nyregion/merit-pay-for-po... "Why It Can Take Six Years to Fire an Inappropriate or Ineffective Teacher" https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/why-it-can-take-six-years-to-fire-an-inappropriate-or-ineffective-teacher https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/why-it-can-take-six-...

luckydata 8y ago
Wow, that sounds really bad... until you read why. Have you tried to see if "pay for performance" schemes are weasel words by conservative politicians to institute damaging policies? The brainwashing runs deep in this country, a couple generations was taught to fight against their own interests in support of oligarchs and corporations and was sold as "democracy". We're witnessing the terminal phase of that, where it goes from here is up to us but you're killing all faith I have that we will have better lives in my lifetime. Some are born to be willing slaves and some are born to break the chains.
- scarface74 8y ago
  From the NYT - the favorite magazine of the right: Even though the pay plan meant more money for many of its members, the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association filed an improper practice petition against the city, arguing that any changes in pay rates must be negotiated through collective bargaining. Tell me again why I would want this?