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I wouldn’t say it’s particularly exaggerated; the “gay voice” is basically male pitch ranges with stereotypically feminine prosody and/or alliteration (I don’t

I wouldn’t say it’s particularly exaggerated; the “gay voice” is basically male pitch ranges with stereotypically feminine prosody and/or alliteration (I don’t say this as a mockery at all; there’s a documentary on Netflix that goes into the origins of this). Though I do agree that gender norms are largely cultural — but it doesn’t change the fact that a Spanish man sounds “gay” to most Americans.

YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
>> Though I do agree that gender norms are largely cultural — but it doesn’t change the fact that a Spanish man sounds “gay” to most Americans. In that case, talking of a certain vocal style as being masculine or feminine, without a cultural qualifier, is meaningless. You should clarify that "this is how men speak in the US" or some such. I don't know if I'd take a Netflix documentary as evidence that a stereotype is accurate.
- exelius 8y ago
  There’s ample SLP research and documentation on all of this and I think you’re battling a straw man. Edit: also your edit is just plain offensive. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
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  - YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
    I deleted my edit not because I agree that it is offensive but because it goes into personal detail that I find unnecessary. Also, I discern in your comment the start of a certain aggression in such conversations that I find, frankly, disturbing. There is absolutely nothing in my comment that is addressed to you, personally, yet yours is becoming personal. To protect myself from what this can lead to, I will not contribute to this discussion any longer.
    - exelius 8y ago
      Okay, so you post a transphobic rant trying to mansplain my trans experiences to me while calling someone “a transgendered”, then delete it, then pretend to take the high road? This is a topic you have demonstrated you have no knowledge on, yet chimed in like you did. Sometimes you should shut up and listen for a change.

YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago

>> Though I do agree that gender norms are largely cultural — but it doesn’t change the fact that a Spanish man sounds “gay” to most Americans. In that case, talking of a certain vocal style as being masculine or feminine, without a cultural qualifier, is meaningless. You should clarify that "this is how men speak in the US" or some such. I don't know if I'd take a Netflix documentary as evidence that a stereotype is accurate.

exelius 8y ago
There’s ample SLP research and documentation on all of this and I think you’re battling a straw man. Edit: also your edit is just plain offensive. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
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- YeGoblynQueenne 8y ago
  I deleted my edit not because I agree that it is offensive but because it goes into personal detail that I find unnecessary. Also, I discern in your comment the start of a certain aggression in such conversations that I find, frankly, disturbing. There is absolutely nothing in my comment that is addressed to you, personally, yet yours is becoming personal. To protect myself from what this can lead to, I will not contribute to this discussion any longer.
  - exelius 8y ago
    Okay, so you post a transphobic rant trying to mansplain my trans experiences to me while calling someone “a transgendered”, then delete it, then pretend to take the high road? This is a topic you have demonstrated you have no knowledge on, yet chimed in like you did. Sometimes you should shut up and listen for a change.