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Look, the A B and C bit shouldn't be taken too seriously, just some kind of law against firing 'em for random, arbitrary and capricious reasons while still maki

by hugh3 16y ago

Look, the A B and C bit shouldn't be taken too seriously, just some kind of law against firing 'em for random, arbitrary and capricious reasons while still making it easy for them to be fired for doing a bad job.

anamax 16y ago
> Look, the A B and C bit shouldn't be taken too seriously, just some kind of law against firing 'em for random, arbitrary and capricious reasons while still making it easy for them to be fired for doing a bad job. Why? If you're being paid by tax dollars, taxpayers should be able to fire you for any reason that they please. If you don't like those conditions, work for someone else who offers the conditions that you'd like. Yes, your fellow tax payers may well disagree with you about how to spend tax money. That's how democracy works. If you don't want "those people" to decide how to spend "your" money, perhaps you should carefully consider when you pay directly vs via govt.
- mmt 16y ago
  If you're being paid by tax dollars, taxpayers should be able to fire you for any reason that they please. I agree. The rub is that it's not usually the taxpayers making that decision, but their elected representatives. I believe there's already a commonly applied differentiation between appointed and civil service[1] positions. [1] I don't know if these are the actual terms, so corrections are welcome.
  - anamax 16y ago
    > I agree. The rub is that it's not usually the taxpayers making that decision, but their elected representatives. Sorry - you don't get to hide behind representatives. > I believe there's already a commonly applied differentiation between appointed and civil service[1] positions. While there is a difference, the "you can't do things that piss off the voters" rule applies to both.
    - mturmon 16y ago
      The representatives will, in practice, make decisions under the system you're describing. It was called the "spoils system" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system), it turns out to be a major vector of abuse by elected officials, and is the reasons the US civil service has safeguards for dismissing civil servants.
      - anamax 16y ago
        They're the representatives that you elected, so if they behave badly, that's on you. There are no technical fixes for social problems.

by hugh3 16y ago

anamax 16y ago

> Look, the A B and C bit shouldn't be taken too seriously, just some kind of law against firing 'em for random, arbitrary and capricious reasons while still making it easy for them to be fired for doing a bad job. Why? If you're being paid by tax dollars, taxpayers should be able to fire you for any reason that they please. If you don't like those conditions, work for someone else who offers the conditions that you'd like. Yes, your fellow tax payers may well disagree with you about how to spend tax money. That's how democracy works. If you don't want "those people" to decide how to spend "your" money, perhaps you should carefully consider when you pay directly vs via govt.

mmt 16y ago
If you're being paid by tax dollars, taxpayers should be able to fire you for any reason that they please. I agree. The rub is that it's not usually the taxpayers making that decision, but their elected representatives. I believe there's already a commonly applied differentiation between appointed and civil service[1] positions. [1] I don't know if these are the actual terms, so corrections are welcome.
- anamax 16y ago
  > I agree. The rub is that it's not usually the taxpayers making that decision, but their elected representatives. Sorry - you don't get to hide behind representatives. > I believe there's already a commonly applied differentiation between appointed and civil service[1] positions. While there is a difference, the "you can't do things that piss off the voters" rule applies to both.
  - mturmon 16y ago
    The representatives will, in practice, make decisions under the system you're describing. It was called the "spoils system" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system), it turns out to be a major vector of abuse by elected officials, and is the reasons the US civil service has safeguards for dismissing civil servants.
    - anamax 16y ago
      They're the representatives that you elected, so if they behave badly, that's on you. There are no technical fixes for social problems.