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Do you mean tech companies in Australia refusing to hire Australian citizens? Or foreign companies? Because the first is very illegal. If your home country all

Do you mean tech companies in Australia refusing to hire Australian citizens? Or foreign companies? Because the first is very illegal. If your home country allows dual citizenship, it doesn't seem like a problem for getting a job outside Australia. If it's not a government job where they'll do security checks, just don't disclose your dual citizenship. I hold dual citizenship, and not that my company has asked or would ask me if I am, I could easily say that I'm not and there isn't a lot they can do. Even governments struggle to determine if someone is a citizen of a foreign country, as we discovered with the dual citizenship debacle in parliament. If your home country doesn't allow dual citizenship, depending on the risk you're willing to take, you can still become a dual citizen and not notify your home country. Either way, the benefits of being legally entitled to live in Australia for eternity, as well as the right to participate in the democratic process, outweigh any potential downsides to becoming an Australian citizen, although I've still for a few more years to wait for that.

mastazi 8y ago
The Australian tech sector is not that large, an ill-conceived law like this one could potentially worsen the job prospects here, to the point that one may consider working overseas. I'm not saying that it's likely, but at the same time it's not impossible. So, yes, I was thinking primarily about foreign companies; (by the way, your argument in relation to Australian companies, "Because the first is very illegal", is not bullet-proof, because there are many things in this world that are illegal, and yet they happen). My home country allows dual citizenship but I don't think that it would be so easy as you say to withhold this crucial piece of information from an employer: given that about half of my CV is made of positions I've held in Australia, I believe it's not that unlikely that a prospective employer may ask about my citizenship status. Anyway, I haven't taken any decision yet, I'm just basically taking my time. I agree with you about participating in the democratic process, when I evaluate pros and cons of becoming a citizen, that's the biggest pro in my mind. Being entitled to live in Australia, on the other hand, is not a big factor in this decision, because I already have a permanent visa that lets me do that.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago
  > I believe it's not that unlikely that a prospective employer may ask about my citizenship status I guess that depends on whether you want to lie to a potential employer then, or alternatively renounce your citizenship. The difference between a PR and a citizenship though is that you have the privilege to live and work in Australia, your PR visa can technically be cancelled on good character grounds, whereas with citizenship you have the right to live and work in Australia. Unlikely to happen I'm sure, but it's there.
  - mastazi 8y ago
    Yes, good point about the difference between PR and citizenship.
brokenmachine 8y ago
>right to participate in the democratic process You mean the same democratic process that passed this bill when literally 99% of the responses within the consultation period were against it? Or maybe you're talking about the democratic process where our opposition agreed to pass this bill even though they thought it was badly thought-out and needed amendments which were promised to happen in February but still haven't, in return for our government not allowing doctors to see sick people in our secret offshore prisons that almost nobody supports. I'm being facetious of course, but as an Australian citizen I haven't felt represented here for a long time.
angry_octet 8y ago
If you are overseas based Australian you can't be compelled by the Australian Government. Only the US Govt makes significant extra-territorial claims. Unless you are bribing foreign government officials, committing war crimes or engaging in sex tourism, you just have to worry about local laws.

mastazi 8y ago

The Australian tech sector is not that large, an ill-conceived law like this one could potentially worsen the job prospects here, to the point that one may consider working overseas. I'm not saying that it's likely, but at the same time it's not impossible. So, yes, I was thinking primarily about foreign companies; (by the way, your argument in relation to Australian companies, "Because the first is very illegal", is not bullet-proof, because there are many things in this world that are illegal, and yet they happen). My home country allows dual citizenship but I don't think that it would be so easy as you say to withhold this crucial piece of information from an employer: given that about half of my CV is made of positions I've held in Australia, I believe it's not that unlikely that a prospective employer may ask about my citizenship status. Anyway, I haven't taken any decision yet, I'm just basically taking my time. I agree with you about participating in the democratic process, when I evaluate pros and cons of becoming a citizen, that's the biggest pro in my mind. Being entitled to live in Australia, on the other hand, is not a big factor in this decision, because I already have a permanent visa that lets me do that.

toomanybeersies 8y ago
> I believe it's not that unlikely that a prospective employer may ask about my citizenship status I guess that depends on whether you want to lie to a potential employer then, or alternatively renounce your citizenship. The difference between a PR and a citizenship though is that you have the privilege to live and work in Australia, your PR visa can technically be cancelled on good character grounds, whereas with citizenship you have the right to live and work in Australia. Unlikely to happen I'm sure, but it's there.
- mastazi 8y ago
  Yes, good point about the difference between PR and citizenship.

brokenmachine 8y ago

>right to participate in the democratic process You mean the same democratic process that passed this bill when literally 99% of the responses within the consultation period were against it? Or maybe you're talking about the democratic process where our opposition agreed to pass this bill even though they thought it was badly thought-out and needed amendments which were promised to happen in February but still haven't, in return for our government not allowing doctors to see sick people in our secret offshore prisons that almost nobody supports. I'm being facetious of course, but as an Australian citizen I haven't felt represented here for a long time.

angry_octet 8y ago

If you are overseas based Australian you can't be compelled by the Australian Government. Only the US Govt makes significant extra-territorial claims. Unless you are bribing foreign government officials, committing war crimes or engaging in sex tourism, you just have to worry about local laws.