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So, Americans have bigoted views towards gays, which means a Chinese company can’t own a gay social network?

ratling 8y ago
Part of the process of getting a security clearance is proving you can't be blackmailed. Lots of things you would think are disqualifying aren't, as long as you disclose them (being involved with BDSM is the most obvious answer I'm aware of). The fact that they're LGBT isn't the issue with the repeal of don't ask don't tell. But if they're not out and they don't disclose then yes, this information is absolutely valuable. Money stuff is another disqualifying event. If you're heavily in debt then you're vulnerable to being paid off in exchange for something against the interests of the United States.
- notyourday 8y ago
  Ok, so a Chinese engineer cannot work for OK Cupid or for Match? Or for Hinge? What about a Russian engineer? Or an Indian engineer?
  - ratling 8y ago
    Where did I say... literally any of that?
    - notyourday 8y ago
      There's no magic AI in Grindr that can answer the question "Show me all people that work for DoD that are into gay sex". There has to be some engineer or group of engineers to do it. It is the same with a Hinge/OKC/Match/etc.
      - ratling 8y ago
        Because they don't have a bunch of location information for everyone on grindr? If only someone did something in the last few years that would make this data super valuable. Like if Chinese intelligence broke into the US governments HR system and absconded with the data (including all their personal information including where they live). Oh wait...
microcolonel 8y ago
Many American businesspeople conceal their sexual orientation so that they can do business without being executed or imprisoned (possibly effecting an unofficial torture and execution) in bigoted countries, particularly in the Middle East, where capital is in great supply right now. Also, it's not just about orientation, it's also about affairs, or adjacency to related petty crimes, which make these people vulnerable to blackmail in private and U.S. security life. e.g. a Chinese asset and you hit it off, maybe take some ecstasy or do something you didn't want your husband/boyfriend to know about, and they have it on video. Maybe it's still doable even if the database itself is not compromised, but probably more expensive and time consuming. Added: Most Americans' home addresses (usually all of them, going back decades), phone numbers (again, usually all of them, going back decades), and birthdates are available in several privately owned publicly searchable databases which you have to specifically tell not to list these things. DoD broadly, and the Air Force, Army, and Navy at least all instruct personnel to ask that their information be delisted from these databases. Let's say you search for Grindr phone numbers and names in these databases, and find all the people who are not listed. That would be a pretty good start if you're looking for vulnerable people.
gubbrora 8y ago
On the surface a wholesome heterosexual family guy with 2.3 kids. Fucks guys on the down low. Wife doesn't know.

Part of the process of getting a security clearance is proving you can't be blackmailed. Lots of things you would think are disqualifying aren't, as long as you disclose them (being involved with BDSM is the most obvious answer I'm aware of). The fact that they're LGBT isn't the issue with the repeal of don't ask don't tell. But if they're not out and they don't disclose then yes, this information is absolutely valuable. Money stuff is another disqualifying event. If you're heavily in debt then you're vulnerable to being paid off in exchange for something against the interests of the United States.

notyourday 8y ago
Ok, so a Chinese engineer cannot work for OK Cupid or for Match? Or for Hinge? What about a Russian engineer? Or an Indian engineer?
- ratling 8y ago
  Where did I say... literally any of that?
  - notyourday 8y ago
    There's no magic AI in Grindr that can answer the question "Show me all people that work for DoD that are into gay sex". There has to be some engineer or group of engineers to do it. It is the same with a Hinge/OKC/Match/etc.
    - ratling 8y ago
      Because they don't have a bunch of location information for everyone on grindr? If only someone did something in the last few years that would make this data super valuable. Like if Chinese intelligence broke into the US governments HR system and absconded with the data (including all their personal information including where they live). Oh wait...

microcolonel 8y ago

Many American businesspeople conceal their sexual orientation so that they can do business without being executed or imprisoned (possibly effecting an unofficial torture and execution) in bigoted countries, particularly in the Middle East, where capital is in great supply right now. Also, it's not just about orientation, it's also about affairs, or adjacency to related petty crimes, which make these people vulnerable to blackmail in private and U.S. security life. e.g. a Chinese asset and you hit it off, maybe take some ecstasy or do something you didn't want your husband/boyfriend to know about, and they have it on video. Maybe it's still doable even if the database itself is not compromised, but probably more expensive and time consuming. Added: Most Americans' home addresses (usually all of them, going back decades), phone numbers (again, usually all of them, going back decades), and birthdates are available in several privately owned publicly searchable databases which you have to specifically tell not to list these things. DoD broadly, and the Air Force, Army, and Navy at least all instruct personnel to ask that their information be delisted from these databases. Let's say you search for Grindr phone numbers and names in these databases, and find all the people who are not listed. That would be a pretty good start if you're looking for vulnerable people.

gubbrora 8y ago

On the surface a wholesome heterosexual family guy with 2.3 kids. Fucks guys on the down low. Wife doesn't know.