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Oh, and it's probably worth noting that you need not even be an Australian citizen to be covered, you simply need to have users in Australia. Of course, whether

Oh, and it's probably worth noting that you need not even be an Australian citizen to be covered, you simply need to have users in Australia. Of course, whether Australia can enforce these laws against non-citizens is another matter. However, this legislation was specifically put together with co-operation of all members of the five eyes, so there's a reasonable possibility of extradition. The Department of Home Affairs even made a public statement confirming as much. It seems to have since been pulled from their website, but is available at: https://cryptome.org/2018/11/5-Eyes-Crypto.pdf https://cryptome.org/2018/11/5-Eyes-Crypto.pdf Five Eyes just wanted this legislation pushed through somewhere and targeted Australia because we: - lack a bill of rights - are constantly distracted by politicians backstabbing each other, and - there's a strong 'think of the children' sentiment in Australia that can be (and has been) used to push through all sorts of egregious bills.

blotter_paper 8y ago
>However, this legislation was specifically put together with co-operation of all members of the five eyes, so there's a reasonable possibility of extradition. The Department of Home Affairs even made a public statement confirming as much. It seems to have since been pulled from their website, but is available at: [PDF link] I read the PDF and didn't notice any mention of extradition. Am I missing something?
- Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
  Sorry for the ambiguity. The reference I provided was with regard to the fact the Australian Government has collaborated with other five eyes countries with this legislation, or at least the 'need' for this legislation. This is why I simply wrote there's a reasonable possibility of extradition, rather than anything definite.
  - blotter_paper 8y ago
    Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
- A2017U1 8y ago
  Don't know anything about extradition but the law specifically mentions putting in backdoors to aid foreign nations at their request. It also notes that this can be for economic espionage too and isn't limited to national security (for the people who like to pretend that's not what their intelligence agencies are doing)
bad_user 8y ago
You can't force non-citizens, obviously, since non-citizens are not under Australian jurisdiction. If they could, then this would create a problem of national security for other countries. But yes, the Five Eyes countries can use Australia for their wiretapping.
- GoblinSlayer 8y ago
  Jurisdiction sets no limits to itself, but to other jurisdictions. Australia can request extradition of anyone from anywhere, then it's up to that jurisdiction to decide whether to comply, which may or may not be situational. If the country believes it's a problem, then it would deny the request.
- mcv 8y ago
  It wouldn't be the first time someone would be extradited to a country they've never even visited.

blotter_paper 8y ago

>However, this legislation was specifically put together with co-operation of all members of the five eyes, so there's a reasonable possibility of extradition. The Department of Home Affairs even made a public statement confirming as much. It seems to have since been pulled from their website, but is available at: [PDF link] I read the PDF and didn't notice any mention of extradition. Am I missing something?

Benjamin_Dobell 8y ago
Sorry for the ambiguity. The reference I provided was with regard to the fact the Australian Government has collaborated with other five eyes countries with this legislation, or at least the 'need' for this legislation. This is why I simply wrote there's a reasonable possibility of extradition, rather than anything definite.
- blotter_paper 8y ago
  Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
A2017U1 8y ago
Don't know anything about extradition but the law specifically mentions putting in backdoors to aid foreign nations at their request. It also notes that this can be for economic espionage too and isn't limited to national security (for the people who like to pretend that's not what their intelligence agencies are doing)

bad_user 8y ago

You can't force non-citizens, obviously, since non-citizens are not under Australian jurisdiction. If they could, then this would create a problem of national security for other countries. But yes, the Five Eyes countries can use Australia for their wiretapping.

GoblinSlayer 8y ago
Jurisdiction sets no limits to itself, but to other jurisdictions. Australia can request extradition of anyone from anywhere, then it's up to that jurisdiction to decide whether to comply, which may or may not be situational. If the country believes it's a problem, then it would deny the request.
mcv 8y ago
It wouldn't be the first time someone would be extradited to a country they've never even visited.