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The government should be able to seek denaturalization of people who misuse the immigration system to oppress other immigrants (for example by ordering them to

The government should be able to seek denaturalization of people who misuse the immigration system to oppress other immigrants (for example by ordering them to break laws, making them pay visa fees, etc). This guy Katam was an immigrant himself, and became a US Citizen in 2009. If I was emperor, I would want him denaturalized. A year or so in prison is not enough punishment.

sushisushisushi 8y ago
There's a reason why denaturalization usually only happens if you perjured your way into citizenship: it's an extremely severe action that is not meant to be a punishment, but rather to correct a mistake (according citizenship to somebody who in reality failed to meet certain criteria). Denaturalization as punishment is something you see in totalitarian ethno-states, not democracies.
- cm2187 8y ago
  No in France you can loose your acquired nationality if you participated to terrorism against France. Was voted in the aftermath of the Paris attacks, though wasn't of much use since all the terrorists of those attacks were natives of either France or Belgium.
  - alasdair_ 8y ago
    I wonder what happens if someone like Le Pen ever gets in charge. Being able to de-naturalize "terrorists" sounds like a pretty serious power that could be abused.
- pkaye 8y ago
  What about the UK and Shamima Begum losing UK citizenship?
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    Mistakenly nationalized someone without the character UK citizenship demands. (EDIT: /s)
    - pkaye 8y ago
      She was born in the UK.
- cam_l 8y ago
  ..and Australia, if you have been sentenced for a serious crime (more than 3yrs, iirc). (0) Hell, we don't even particularly care if we make them stateless. (1) (0) https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-laws-will-strip-australian-extremists-of-citizenship https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-laws-will-strip-australian-e... (1) https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-08/neil-prakash-definitely-not-fijian-argue-officials/10698462 https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-08/neil-prakash-defin...
- zaarn 8y ago
  Germany allows it to, but only in case of dual citizenship and people returning from ISIS-supportive groups in foreign countries.
nerdponx 8y ago
If he's a citizen, that probably violates the Equal Protection clause.
rdtsc 8y ago
That does happen for lying on the immigration and naturalization forms. We have have deported and denaturalized Nazi concentration camp guards before.
pcwalton 8y ago
Doesn't India disallow dual citizenship? Wikipedia [1] claims that Article 9 of the Indian Constitution forbids it (note that the Overseas Citizenship of India designation is not actually citizenship). So denaturalization would legally leave the person stateless. Making a person stateless against their will is considered a serious violation of human rights, regardless of what they have done. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law
- diebeforei485 8y ago
  Fair point, although there is no way that "year and a day" is enough punishment for this.

sushisushisushi 8y ago

There's a reason why denaturalization usually only happens if you perjured your way into citizenship: it's an extremely severe action that is not meant to be a punishment, but rather to correct a mistake (according citizenship to somebody who in reality failed to meet certain criteria). Denaturalization as punishment is something you see in totalitarian ethno-states, not democracies.

cm2187 8y ago
No in France you can loose your acquired nationality if you participated to terrorism against France. Was voted in the aftermath of the Paris attacks, though wasn't of much use since all the terrorists of those attacks were natives of either France or Belgium.
- alasdair_ 8y ago
  I wonder what happens if someone like Le Pen ever gets in charge. Being able to de-naturalize "terrorists" sounds like a pretty serious power that could be abused.
pkaye 8y ago
What about the UK and Shamima Begum losing UK citizenship?
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  Mistakenly nationalized someone without the character UK citizenship demands. (EDIT: /s)
  - pkaye 8y ago
    She was born in the UK.
cam_l 8y ago
..and Australia, if you have been sentenced for a serious crime (more than 3yrs, iirc). (0) Hell, we don't even particularly care if we make them stateless. (1) (0) https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-laws-will-strip-australian-extremists-of-citizenship https://www.sbs.com.au/news/new-laws-will-strip-australian-e... (1) https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-08/neil-prakash-definitely-not-fijian-argue-officials/10698462 https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-08/neil-prakash-defin...
zaarn 8y ago
Germany allows it to, but only in case of dual citizenship and people returning from ISIS-supportive groups in foreign countries.

nerdponx 8y ago

If he's a citizen, that probably violates the Equal Protection clause.

rdtsc 8y ago

That does happen for lying on the immigration and naturalization forms. We have have deported and denaturalized Nazi concentration camp guards before.

pcwalton 8y ago

Doesn't India disallow dual citizenship? Wikipedia [1] claims that Article 9 of the Indian Constitution forbids it (note that the Overseas Citizenship of India designation is not actually citizenship). So denaturalization would legally leave the person stateless. Making a person stateless against their will is considered a serious violation of human rights, regardless of what they have done. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_nationality_law

diebeforei485 8y ago
Fair point, although there is no way that "year and a day" is enough punishment for this.