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> professional these machines are meant to target When you are next time in one of those coffee shops, I suggest you to look around to spot people with latest

> professional these machines are meant to target When you are next time in one of those coffee shops, I suggest you to look around to spot people with latest macbooks. Then ask yourself what category of users they belong to. And whether their primary use case is the same as yours.

FreakyT 8y ago
Right, so that bolsters OP's point that the categories are so muddled that they no longer really exist. Apple used to cater to both specific markets -- "pro" and "consumer". Now they just label all their machines "pro", despite their evident consumer targeting.
areoform 8y ago
It is. Doing emails, calls, documents, a little bit of programming, lots of design stuff. Oh and very few of them like the newer machines. They're all tired of how crappy they can be. This has come up before when I criticize Apple's current product line. I think it's an Apple-specific no true Scotsman fallacy. I buy their products. I own an iPad.I will own an Apple Watch. I had an iPod. I've had three MacBooks. I've used iMacs since I was a little girl. My school had the sunflower iMac way back when and it was the best computer I had ever used. I think I'm fairly representative of their userbase.
- mike_ivanov 8y ago
  > a little bit of programming, lots of design stuff. > very few of them like the newer machines. This is exactly my point. I used to be a mac fan for many years. Now all it is good for is hanging on Facebook, news websites and occasionally doing stuff in Google Docs. Basically a stylish Chromebook equivalent. This is the pattern I've been seeing for the last couple of years. Serious design people seem to be moving to Windows, programmers - to the same direction, sometimes to Linux.
  - c256 8y ago
    I see “serious design people” using non-laptop macs, and using iPads and/or iPhones instead of laptops for portable devices. There are a few who use Windows, but they are almost uniformly unhappy about it. The people I see who are most happy with Windows are (still) mostly there for gaming.
arebours 8y ago
> Then ask yourself what category of users they belong to. Computer users I guess?

FreakyT 8y ago

Right, so that bolsters OP's point that the categories are so muddled that they no longer really exist. Apple used to cater to both specific markets -- "pro" and "consumer". Now they just label all their machines "pro", despite their evident consumer targeting.

areoform 8y ago

It is. Doing emails, calls, documents, a little bit of programming, lots of design stuff. Oh and very few of them like the newer machines. They're all tired of how crappy they can be. This has come up before when I criticize Apple's current product line. I think it's an Apple-specific no true Scotsman fallacy. I buy their products. I own an iPad.I will own an Apple Watch. I had an iPod. I've had three MacBooks. I've used iMacs since I was a little girl. My school had the sunflower iMac way back when and it was the best computer I had ever used. I think I'm fairly representative of their userbase.

mike_ivanov 8y ago
> a little bit of programming, lots of design stuff. > very few of them like the newer machines. This is exactly my point. I used to be a mac fan for many years. Now all it is good for is hanging on Facebook, news websites and occasionally doing stuff in Google Docs. Basically a stylish Chromebook equivalent. This is the pattern I've been seeing for the last couple of years. Serious design people seem to be moving to Windows, programmers - to the same direction, sometimes to Linux.
- c256 8y ago
  I see “serious design people” using non-laptop macs, and using iPads and/or iPhones instead of laptops for portable devices. There are a few who use Windows, but they are almost uniformly unhappy about it. The people I see who are most happy with Windows are (still) mostly there for gaming.

arebours 8y ago

> Then ask yourself what category of users they belong to. Computer users I guess?