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cool story, but the whole Virtuous Programmer vs Villainous Business-Type narrative is a bit of a tired trope. and daniel having been "pushed out" of more than

cool story, but the whole Virtuous Programmer vs Villainous Business-Type narrative is a bit of a tired trope. and daniel having been "pushed out" of more than one project makes things a bit more uncertain (at least to me) on who's "obviously" the good guy and who's "obviously" the bad guy. (if that sort of dichotomy even applies)

mindslight 8y ago
It's a "trope" because a personal/community project being turned over to a corporate structure and then being steered into the ground is an all too common occurrence. My understanding is that CopperheadOS, the technical project, was entirely the work of Daniel. Even if Daniel would have run it aground himself, adding one more problem certainly didn't help. I'm not going to dredge up the reference, but what it basically came down to is while they both owned equal 50% and each had a board seat, the bylaws broke ties by deferring to the CEO (James). This BATNA is exactly the type of thing that someone focused on the details of legal documents and power relationships will have planned for. While both still "own" 50%, Daniel would have had to go on the legal offensive ($$$) to bring a fiduciary claim, and a court would be hostile to the idea that the real value is based on long term development by a specific developer. The 21st century improvement is that the codebase itself is still available to all, having been permissively licensed.
strcat 8y ago
What other project do you think I was involved in where I was pushed out? Why are you spreading libel about me? It was a false claim propagated by James that I was pushed out Rust. I left of my own accord and then someone who followed / supported my work created an uninformed Reddit thread demanding answers after I had chosen to leave and removed myself as a repository contributor. Ask one of the core Rust developers like pcwalton what happened. We had various issues leading up to that point because of my strong opinions about how things should be done and tendency to write very strongly worded arguments about it, but ultimately it was me who decided it wasn't working and left the project. They certainly didn't kick me out of the project for writing comments in a very direct 'tone'. It's not my fault that someone who supported me thought something much different had happened and tried to speak out in support of me when I didn't need or want their help. They should have asked me what had happened before posting on my behalf and creating unnecessary drama. Only the core Rust developers knew that wasn't what had happened so other people tried to justify a decision by them which had not happened. James is a great manipulator and you prove it by falling for this junk. Again, ask one of the core Rust developers what actually happened. Sure, we had strong disagreements about the direction of the project and were bickering a lot. It's completely false that I was kicked out of the project though. After that, I committed to only working on projects where I would fully own and control everything, to avoid further experiences of work being judged based on employer and relationships rather than merit behind the ideas and fair and honest discussions / debates about which direction should be chosen. That led to requiring an explicit arrangement with Copperhead where I would be working on my own project, and the company would be focusing on consulting work and attempting to build a business around the open source project to support it. They explicitly did not own or control it themselves, and then betrayed the arrangement. It's odd that you think it's okay to spread defamation about someone like this without having a clue what actually happened.

mindslight 8y ago

It's a "trope" because a personal/community project being turned over to a corporate structure and then being steered into the ground is an all too common occurrence. My understanding is that CopperheadOS, the technical project, was entirely the work of Daniel. Even if Daniel would have run it aground himself, adding one more problem certainly didn't help. I'm not going to dredge up the reference, but what it basically came down to is while they both owned equal 50% and each had a board seat, the bylaws broke ties by deferring to the CEO (James). This BATNA is exactly the type of thing that someone focused on the details of legal documents and power relationships will have planned for. While both still "own" 50%, Daniel would have had to go on the legal offensive ($$$) to bring a fiduciary claim, and a court would be hostile to the idea that the real value is based on long term development by a specific developer. The 21st century improvement is that the codebase itself is still available to all, having been permissively licensed.

strcat 8y ago

What other project do you think I was involved in where I was pushed out? Why are you spreading libel about me? It was a false claim propagated by James that I was pushed out Rust. I left of my own accord and then someone who followed / supported my work created an uninformed Reddit thread demanding answers after I had chosen to leave and removed myself as a repository contributor. Ask one of the core Rust developers like pcwalton what happened. We had various issues leading up to that point because of my strong opinions about how things should be done and tendency to write very strongly worded arguments about it, but ultimately it was me who decided it wasn't working and left the project. They certainly didn't kick me out of the project for writing comments in a very direct 'tone'. It's not my fault that someone who supported me thought something much different had happened and tried to speak out in support of me when I didn't need or want their help. They should have asked me what had happened before posting on my behalf and creating unnecessary drama. Only the core Rust developers knew that wasn't what had happened so other people tried to justify a decision by them which had not happened. James is a great manipulator and you prove it by falling for this junk. Again, ask one of the core Rust developers what actually happened. Sure, we had strong disagreements about the direction of the project and were bickering a lot. It's completely false that I was kicked out of the project though. After that, I committed to only working on projects where I would fully own and control everything, to avoid further experiences of work being judged based on employer and relationships rather than merit behind the ideas and fair and honest discussions / debates about which direction should be chosen. That led to requiring an explicit arrangement with Copperhead where I would be working on my own project, and the company would be focusing on consulting work and attempting to build a business around the open source project to support it. They explicitly did not own or control it themselves, and then betrayed the arrangement. It's odd that you think it's okay to spread defamation about someone like this without having a clue what actually happened.