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Love the new keyboards. Not been a problem for me. Love the size too. The 15in is about as heavy as the old 13in, making it very portable. Had to sacrifice some

Love the new keyboards. Not been a problem for me. Love the size too. The 15in is about as heavy as the old 13in, making it very portable. Had to sacrifice some keyboard depth for that but so worth it. For anyone working for extended periods of time, you will benefit greatly from having an external keyboard. Preferably one that tilts up in the middle. Why anyone would want a bigger laptop that they use at home to type on the laptop's native keyboard is beyond me.

RodgerTheGreat 8y ago
So if I follow you, the argument is that the new built-in keyboards are great because you don't use them, and you find the idea that people would want to be able to type for extended periods on their portable computer "beyond you"? If I wanted a big mechanical keyboard on my desk at home and a nearly unusable keyboard when I'm elsewhere, I'd get an iPad and a desktop. I want a laptop.
- ppeetteerr 8y ago
  The new keyboards are great because they reduce the size of a portable computer, which makes the portable part of the computer even better. If you want a less portable computer so that you can type at work and at home on its keyboard, you'd be missing out on the _much_ better desktop keyboards that can be had instead.
  - bildung 8y ago
    Or you could get something like the X1 carbon, which weighs much less (so is more portable) and has a keyboard you can actually type on for hours.
    - ppeetteerr 8y ago
      You could, for sure, but not with MacOS.
      - bildung 8y ago
        Fair enough :) If MacOS is mandatory, the X1 won't be an option. I just gave it as an example that you absolutely can have both portability and a good keyboard at the same time.
        ppeetteerr 8y ago
        The X1 is a really nice laptop, that's true. It's up there with the MacBook in terms of quality.
  - asdff 8y ago
    The new keyboard made the computer 0.12" thinner than the 2015, and the new computer is less than half pound lighter with less battery capacity. To me, these are huge sacrifices in usability for what, another 0.12" and half pound in my bag? Great! Now I've saved enough space to upgrade my 70 sheet spiral notebook to a 100 sheet monster.
  - tigershark 8y ago
    Are you seriously saying that it’s fine to sell a laptop with no usable keyboard because you just type on it on an external keyboard? or you are one of the few lucky ones that actually use it and it’s still good for more than 6 months in a row?
Hamuko 8y ago
>For anyone working for extended periods of time, you will benefit greatly from having an external keyboard. Yeah, since those repeating letters will drive you up the wall without one.
taude 8y ago
I'm trying to figure out why people care so much about the difference between 4 and 4.5 pound laptop? They are still so much lighter than the old days, both extremely portable, etc... Not to mention the weight and tangle of all the dongles and needing to store them when moving around....

RodgerTheGreat 8y ago

So if I follow you, the argument is that the new built-in keyboards are great because you don't use them, and you find the idea that people would want to be able to type for extended periods on their portable computer "beyond you"? If I wanted a big mechanical keyboard on my desk at home and a nearly unusable keyboard when I'm elsewhere, I'd get an iPad and a desktop. I want a laptop.

ppeetteerr 8y ago
The new keyboards are great because they reduce the size of a portable computer, which makes the portable part of the computer even better. If you want a less portable computer so that you can type at work and at home on its keyboard, you'd be missing out on the _much_ better desktop keyboards that can be had instead.
- bildung 8y ago
  Or you could get something like the X1 carbon, which weighs much less (so is more portable) and has a keyboard you can actually type on for hours.
  - ppeetteerr 8y ago
    You could, for sure, but not with MacOS.
    - bildung 8y ago
      Fair enough :) If MacOS is mandatory, the X1 won't be an option. I just gave it as an example that you absolutely can have both portability and a good keyboard at the same time.
      - ppeetteerr 8y ago
        The X1 is a really nice laptop, that's true. It's up there with the MacBook in terms of quality.
- asdff 8y ago
  The new keyboard made the computer 0.12" thinner than the 2015, and the new computer is less than half pound lighter with less battery capacity. To me, these are huge sacrifices in usability for what, another 0.12" and half pound in my bag? Great! Now I've saved enough space to upgrade my 70 sheet spiral notebook to a 100 sheet monster.
- tigershark 8y ago
  Are you seriously saying that it’s fine to sell a laptop with no usable keyboard because you just type on it on an external keyboard? or you are one of the few lucky ones that actually use it and it’s still good for more than 6 months in a row?

Hamuko 8y ago

>For anyone working for extended periods of time, you will benefit greatly from having an external keyboard. Yeah, since those repeating letters will drive you up the wall without one.

taude 8y ago

I'm trying to figure out why people care so much about the difference between 4 and 4.5 pound laptop? They are still so much lighter than the old days, both extremely portable, etc... Not to mention the weight and tangle of all the dongles and needing to store them when moving around....