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Human trafficking is just another word for illegal immigration. It just sounds more sinister and it gives a way for anti-immigration folks to sound humane and p

by milemi 8y ago

Human trafficking is just another word for illegal immigration. It just sounds more sinister and it gives a way for anti-immigration folks to sound humane and pretend like they care about the trafficked people, when they really care about not letting them in. As long as you have inescapable poverty and hardship in some countries, and no legal ways for people to get in, you'll have human trafficking. The only way to stop it is to let people in. The harder you try to ban it the worse it gets for the trafficked, but as I said, their well being is not the true concern of anti-trafficking laws at all. As for sex work, there's absolutely no good reason why it shouldn't be completely destigmatized, decriminalized, and treated like any other kind of work. There are some inherent risks, but if it's decriminalized they can be managed and brought down to acceptable levels. There are certainly jobs with higher inherent risks, like working in lumber, or oil rigs, or construction. For women who aren't savvy enough to make it on their own, brothels are a good solution. With decriminalization, the bosses in brothels can be kept accountable.

dragonwriter 8y ago
> Human trafficking is just another word for illegal immigration. No, it's not, because human trafficking can occur without crossing an limited-migration border. As usually used, it's very close to the union of de facto slavery and sex work. (To be fair, those categories have significant overlap, but there's a lot of push to include the parts of the latter that aren't the former within the reach of of the term.)
- milemi 8y ago
  You mean there are people being "human trafficked" in their countries of origin? Can you provide an example?
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > You mean there are people being "human trafficked" in their countries of origin? Yes; there are also people who are legal immigrants who are trafficked only after arriving legally (immigrants, even legal ones, are often a vulnerable population.) And, even when illegal immigrants are trafficked, that is also often post-arrival, not part of how they can immigrate. > Can you provide an example? The one that is most frequently features in media reports is domestic sex trafficking of underage girls; but there is a lot more (surprisingly good coverage of a lot of variations is found, for now, on Wikipedia's page on trafficking in California [0], which is flagged for excessive detail.) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_California https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Califor...
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DoreenMichele 8y ago
Human trafficking is just another word for illegal immigration. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking "Human trafficking is the trade of humans for the purpose of forced labour, sexual slavery, or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others. This may encompass providing a spouse in the context of forced marriage, or the extraction of organs or tissues, including for surrogacy and ova removal. Human trafficking can occur within a country or trans-nationally. Human trafficking is a crime against the person because of the violation of the victim's rights of movement through coercion and because of their commercial exploitation. Human trafficking is the trade in people, especially women and children, and does not necessarily involve the movement of the person from one place to another." Please take special note of the last sentence. There are certainly jobs with higher inherent risks, like working in lumber, or oil rigs, or construction. This line irks me, though I don't know how to clearly articulate why.

by milemi 8y ago

dragonwriter 8y ago

> Human trafficking is just another word for illegal immigration. No, it's not, because human trafficking can occur without crossing an limited-migration border. As usually used, it's very close to the union of de facto slavery and sex work. (To be fair, those categories have significant overlap, but there's a lot of push to include the parts of the latter that aren't the former within the reach of of the term.)

milemi 8y ago
You mean there are people being "human trafficked" in their countries of origin? Can you provide an example?
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > You mean there are people being "human trafficked" in their countries of origin? Yes; there are also people who are legal immigrants who are trafficked only after arriving legally (immigrants, even legal ones, are often a vulnerable population.) And, even when illegal immigrants are trafficked, that is also often post-arrival, not part of how they can immigrate. > Can you provide an example? The one that is most frequently features in media reports is domestic sex trafficking of underage girls; but there is a lot more (surprisingly good coverage of a lot of variations is found, for now, on Wikipedia's page on trafficking in California [0], which is flagged for excessive detail.) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_California https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Califor...
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DoreenMichele 8y ago

Human trafficking is just another word for illegal immigration. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking "Human trafficking is the trade of humans for the purpose of forced labour, sexual slavery, or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others. This may encompass providing a spouse in the context of forced marriage, or the extraction of organs or tissues, including for surrogacy and ova removal. Human trafficking can occur within a country or trans-nationally. Human trafficking is a crime against the person because of the violation of the victim's rights of movement through coercion and because of their commercial exploitation. Human trafficking is the trade in people, especially women and children, and does not necessarily involve the movement of the person from one place to another." Please take special note of the last sentence. There are certainly jobs with higher inherent risks, like working in lumber, or oil rigs, or construction. This line irks me, though I don't know how to clearly articulate why.