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Layoffs happen; these kind of whiny twitter rants aren't really helpful for anyone.

maxaf 8y ago
The rants make perfect sense in a world that expects every disagreement to be adjudicated in the court of public opinion.
- tinus_hn 8y ago
  As long as ‘public opinion’ is in their favor of course, otherwise it’s cleanly removed, like this tweet. Disagreeing opinions need not apply.
  - tdurden 8y ago
    deleted because of hackernews "bros" https://twitter.com/kf/status/1110922957721731072 https://twitter.com/kf/status/1110922957721731072
malvosenior 8y ago
Exactly. If you’re recently laid off and looking for work, why jump on Twitter and be as obnoxious as possible? I know I wouldn’t hire this person and can’t help but think if they do this regularly that it makes sense that they were let go.
- geodel 8y ago
  Well it may not get one hired in typical corporate but Woke companies or at least Woke hiring managers in other companies are quite likely to hire them.
  - outside1234 8y ago
    FYI: Woke hiring managers don't want people that go bezerk on Twitter either - it is a clear maturity issue in plain sight.
- cldellow 8y ago
  The person in the linked tweet isn't one of the people affected. I'm drawing some inferences here, but she's contrasting the perceived lack of support from the company for those affected by the npm layoffs with npm's public brand on the Internet. If layoffs happened and npm did the minimum legally required, that's a fair criticism to make, IMO. npm's hiring page says: > We are responsible adults with diverse backgrounds and interests, who take our careers and our lives seriously. We believe that the best way to iterate towards success is by taking care of ourselves, our families, our users, and one another. > We aim for a sustainable approach to work and life, because that is the best way to maximize long-term speed, while retaining clarity of vision. Compassion is our strategy. @seldo (npm co-founder) frequently tweets about people in the community who he perceives are not performing to his moral standard. I don't have any details, so I'm taking all of this with a grain of salt, but if it's true, it's something of a betrayal of their brand.
  - malvosenior 8y ago
    > We are responsible adults There’s nothing responsible or adult about that tweet. If she wasn’t affected by the lay offs, then she’s doing a huge disservice to the people who were laid off by associating them with a Twitter train wreck. The adult thing to do would be to realize that “compassion is our strategy” is an empty platitude and that all companies exist to make money.
- whywhywhywhy 8y ago
  People who are extremely active on, or addicted to Twitter keep mistaking Twitter for actually being the real world and not just a glorified internet forum with some celebrity users. Just because someone lost their job doesn't mean an ex-colleague can't post about Netflix or their interests on their social media anymore. Twitter isn't an office space they can do what they want. I get that Twitter must feel a lot more real to people who post 30 times a day, every day for 10+ years but to that majority of people it's just a silly distraction they use to post things to their friends, not a work environment.
pastor_elm 8y ago
they're helpful to know you can get laid off before your options vest. > so the lesson for me is that signs of success at work do not guarantee future rewards or even continued employment. i already knew this, but it's been useful to remember that i should never entirely trust a company, even if it seems like my goals and success are aligned w theirs https://twitter.com/neverett/status/1110626980800667648 https://twitter.com/neverett/status/1110626980800667648
- tdurden 8y ago
  > they're helpful to know you can get laid off before your options vest. of course you can - that shouldn't be a surprise.
  - pastor_elm 8y ago
    well some people are surprised that their boss would lay them off specifically so they wouldn't have to pay out a benefit. Not everyone joins a company understanding that management is the enemy.
    - tdurden 8y ago
      How exactly does a company plan a layoff date such that nobody who is "close" to a vest date isn't affected? The only way would be to have guaranteed employment up to the vest date - that isn't going to happen.
      - pastor_elm 8y ago
        Giving two weeks notice is not required but it is standard for employees as a common courtesy. Why is it that employees are held to this standard but employers are not? laying someone off right before they vest is a cheap, disgraceful move.
      - MiroF 8y ago
        They are legally allowed to fire some one at any time. Firing someone specifically so they can't get the stock options without any notice is a dick move and I'm perfectly within my rights to criticize them for it.

The rants make perfect sense in a world that expects every disagreement to be adjudicated in the court of public opinion.

tinus_hn 8y ago
As long as ‘public opinion’ is in their favor of course, otherwise it’s cleanly removed, like this tweet. Disagreeing opinions need not apply.
- tdurden 8y ago
  deleted because of hackernews "bros" https://twitter.com/kf/status/1110922957721731072 https://twitter.com/kf/status/1110922957721731072

malvosenior 8y ago

Exactly. If you’re recently laid off and looking for work, why jump on Twitter and be as obnoxious as possible? I know I wouldn’t hire this person and can’t help but think if they do this regularly that it makes sense that they were let go.

geodel 8y ago
Well it may not get one hired in typical corporate but Woke companies or at least Woke hiring managers in other companies are quite likely to hire them.
- outside1234 8y ago
  FYI: Woke hiring managers don't want people that go bezerk on Twitter either - it is a clear maturity issue in plain sight.
cldellow 8y ago
The person in the linked tweet isn't one of the people affected. I'm drawing some inferences here, but she's contrasting the perceived lack of support from the company for those affected by the npm layoffs with npm's public brand on the Internet. If layoffs happened and npm did the minimum legally required, that's a fair criticism to make, IMO. npm's hiring page says: > We are responsible adults with diverse backgrounds and interests, who take our careers and our lives seriously. We believe that the best way to iterate towards success is by taking care of ourselves, our families, our users, and one another. > We aim for a sustainable approach to work and life, because that is the best way to maximize long-term speed, while retaining clarity of vision. Compassion is our strategy. @seldo (npm co-founder) frequently tweets about people in the community who he perceives are not performing to his moral standard. I don't have any details, so I'm taking all of this with a grain of salt, but if it's true, it's something of a betrayal of their brand.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  > We are responsible adults There’s nothing responsible or adult about that tweet. If she wasn’t affected by the lay offs, then she’s doing a huge disservice to the people who were laid off by associating them with a Twitter train wreck. The adult thing to do would be to realize that “compassion is our strategy” is an empty platitude and that all companies exist to make money.
whywhywhywhy 8y ago
People who are extremely active on, or addicted to Twitter keep mistaking Twitter for actually being the real world and not just a glorified internet forum with some celebrity users. Just because someone lost their job doesn't mean an ex-colleague can't post about Netflix or their interests on their social media anymore. Twitter isn't an office space they can do what they want. I get that Twitter must feel a lot more real to people who post 30 times a day, every day for 10+ years but to that majority of people it's just a silly distraction they use to post things to their friends, not a work environment.

pastor_elm 8y ago

they're helpful to know you can get laid off before your options vest. > so the lesson for me is that signs of success at work do not guarantee future rewards or even continued employment. i already knew this, but it's been useful to remember that i should never entirely trust a company, even if it seems like my goals and success are aligned w theirs https://twitter.com/neverett/status/1110626980800667648 https://twitter.com/neverett/status/1110626980800667648

tdurden 8y ago
> they're helpful to know you can get laid off before your options vest. of course you can - that shouldn't be a surprise.
- pastor_elm 8y ago
  well some people are surprised that their boss would lay them off specifically so they wouldn't have to pay out a benefit. Not everyone joins a company understanding that management is the enemy.
  - tdurden 8y ago
    How exactly does a company plan a layoff date such that nobody who is "close" to a vest date isn't affected? The only way would be to have guaranteed employment up to the vest date - that isn't going to happen.
    - pastor_elm 8y ago
      Giving two weeks notice is not required but it is standard for employees as a common courtesy. Why is it that employees are held to this standard but employers are not? laying someone off right before they vest is a cheap, disgraceful move.
    - MiroF 8y ago
      They are legally allowed to fire some one at any time. Firing someone specifically so they can't get the stock options without any notice is a dick move and I'm perfectly within my rights to criticize them for it.