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The example I keep coming back to is how are they going to enforce this on, say, Google? If you do a Google search for any sort of physical characteristic follo

The example I keep coming back to is how are they going to enforce this on, say, Google? If you do a Google search for any sort of physical characteristic followed by nude/naked/porn and hit the Images tab, you get thousands of pornographic images back. I can't see Google enforcing such a block and ID scheme merely for its image search engine, tbh.

etatoby 8y ago
If they can identify individual human faces through algorithms, they (= technology companies with deep pockets) can surely recognize most porn pictures, given the right incentive (regulation.)
- johnjac 8y ago
  Hah Hah, no.
  - etatoby 8y ago
    If you haven't been following the deep learning trend, a "Cat vs. Dog" picture classifier, or variations of such, are now taught in introductory AI classes. Applying the techniques taught in the courses, you can easily reach 99% accuracy yourself, on your own run-of-the-mill hardware. If you extrapolate that to Google / Microsoft's resources, it's a clear yes.
- petercooper 8y ago
  I think Google is actually pretty good at doing that. If you turn on all the various safety features, it's pretty hard to find anything too graphic. But.. I think the problem is more a social one. Is Google going to comply with a single country's law when it requires quite an elaborate technological solution? The UK is not at the scale of China, and I suspect such companies will generally ignore the law (it's common in the UK to have laws which are broadly ignored, they're on the books for selective enforcement at a convenient time) or block the UK entirely.
zimpenfish 8y ago
Also Flickr, Twitter, imgur, Reddit, ... have large amounts of porn - are they going to be age-gated the same way?
benmmurphy 8y ago
archive.org is http blocked under mobile networks in the UK unless you get the age bar lifted. also, if you try and access it over https it is hard blocked by an IP ban. at a network level with HTTPS/1.1 and encrypted SNI it will be unworkable to block this content because you can just put it on cloudflare. the networks will then either have to block the whole of cloudflare or let people access it over https. the mobile networks probably should be blocking reddit and i'm not sure why they don't. maybe they need some complaints. a bit more information about the current mobile content ban which seems to be voluntarily enforced by operators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom#Mobile_Internet_blocking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...

etatoby 8y ago

If they can identify individual human faces through algorithms, they (= technology companies with deep pockets) can surely recognize most porn pictures, given the right incentive (regulation.)

johnjac 8y ago
Hah Hah, no.
- etatoby 8y ago
  If you haven't been following the deep learning trend, a "Cat vs. Dog" picture classifier, or variations of such, are now taught in introductory AI classes. Applying the techniques taught in the courses, you can easily reach 99% accuracy yourself, on your own run-of-the-mill hardware. If you extrapolate that to Google / Microsoft's resources, it's a clear yes.
petercooper 8y ago
I think Google is actually pretty good at doing that. If you turn on all the various safety features, it's pretty hard to find anything too graphic. But.. I think the problem is more a social one. Is Google going to comply with a single country's law when it requires quite an elaborate technological solution? The UK is not at the scale of China, and I suspect such companies will generally ignore the law (it's common in the UK to have laws which are broadly ignored, they're on the books for selective enforcement at a convenient time) or block the UK entirely.

zimpenfish 8y ago

Also Flickr, Twitter, imgur, Reddit, ... have large amounts of porn - are they going to be age-gated the same way?

benmmurphy 8y ago

archive.org is http blocked under mobile networks in the UK unless you get the age bar lifted. also, if you try and access it over https it is hard blocked by an IP ban. at a network level with HTTPS/1.1 and encrypted SNI it will be unworkable to block this content because you can just put it on cloudflare. the networks will then either have to block the whole of cloudflare or let people access it over https. the mobile networks probably should be blocking reddit and i'm not sure why they don't. maybe they need some complaints. a bit more information about the current mobile content ban which seems to be voluntarily enforced by operators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom#Mobile_Internet_blocking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...