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Let's say, in a perfect world, Facebook does change the behaviors in question. How can anyone trust them? Facebook has proven over and over that they are not

Let's say, in a perfect world, Facebook does change the behaviors in question. How can anyone trust them? Facebook has proven over and over that they are not s social network for users, they are a social network for profit. The two ideals do not mix and until Zuckerberg is out at the helm it's unlikely anything will change given Facebook's track record. I was having a discussion about Zuckerberg the other day with a colleague. The crux of the conversation came down to something interesting which is that Mark, from what we could both glean from public insight on him, has never been all that normal or ordinary in his real life social prowess. Yet he is the kingpin of social networks today. The conversation ended on a simple observation: Mark burned people to get Facebook off the ground. And Mark will continue to burn anyone, including his users, to continue to move it forward.

logifail 8y ago
> Mark burned people to get Facebook off the ground. And Mark will continue to burn anyone, including his users, to continue to move it forward Q: Is this atypical behaviour for someone in his position?
- fmihaila 8y ago
  > Q: Is this atypical behaviour for someone in his position? Does it matter? It must not be rewarded, regardless of how common it is. Allowing share structures that divorce ownership from decision power may not be such a good idea after all. More generally, we should probably also reconsider fiduciary duty as the sole motive force of corporations.
  - anticensor 8y ago
    This is irrelevant for Mark as he passed the stage of just satisfying the fiduciaries way back. He now implements his ideal of no-privacy social system (using his enterprise). It is hard to stop anyone implementing oneself after it started.
    - fmihaila 8y ago
      Yes, I agree that it's hard. It's hard to displace dictators in general. It still must be done. And we should learn from this as a society and tweak the rules to make it harder for anyone to become a dictator in the future.
      - anticensor 8y ago
        We could apply distributed systems decision theory into general sociology, it might work.
        fmihaila 8y ago
        Wow, I didn't expect this reply. I had the exact same thought after I read this HN thread [1] from 3 weeks ago about coordination-free distributed consistency [2]. Is this what you had in mind? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19316737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19316737 [2] https://blog.acolyer.org/2019/03/06/keeping-calm-when-distributed-consistency-is-easy/ https://blog.acolyer.org/2019/03/06/keeping-calm-when-distri...
dredmorbius 8y ago
Consent decrees, enforcement, and mandated disclosures. Though imperfect tools, these have been applied to AT&T (and are why, indirectly, Linux exists), Xerox, IBM, Microsoft, and Google, amongst others, in the US.

logifail 8y ago

> Mark burned people to get Facebook off the ground. And Mark will continue to burn anyone, including his users, to continue to move it forward Q: Is this atypical behaviour for someone in his position?

fmihaila 8y ago
> Q: Is this atypical behaviour for someone in his position? Does it matter? It must not be rewarded, regardless of how common it is. Allowing share structures that divorce ownership from decision power may not be such a good idea after all. More generally, we should probably also reconsider fiduciary duty as the sole motive force of corporations.
- anticensor 8y ago
  This is irrelevant for Mark as he passed the stage of just satisfying the fiduciaries way back. He now implements his ideal of no-privacy social system (using his enterprise). It is hard to stop anyone implementing oneself after it started.
  - fmihaila 8y ago
    Yes, I agree that it's hard. It's hard to displace dictators in general. It still must be done. And we should learn from this as a society and tweak the rules to make it harder for anyone to become a dictator in the future.
    - anticensor 8y ago
      We could apply distributed systems decision theory into general sociology, it might work.
      - fmihaila 8y ago
        Wow, I didn't expect this reply. I had the exact same thought after I read this HN thread [1] from 3 weeks ago about coordination-free distributed consistency [2]. Is this what you had in mind? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19316737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19316737 [2] https://blog.acolyer.org/2019/03/06/keeping-calm-when-distributed-consistency-is-easy/ https://blog.acolyer.org/2019/03/06/keeping-calm-when-distri...

dredmorbius 8y ago

Consent decrees, enforcement, and mandated disclosures. Though imperfect tools, these have been applied to AT&T (and are why, indirectly, Linux exists), Xerox, IBM, Microsoft, and Google, amongst others, in the US.